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Re: OPT equalising circuit

by "Alex" <apogosso@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 5, 2008 at 09:39 AM

"Patrick Turner" <info@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>
>
> Alex wrote:
> >
> > "Patrick Turner" <info@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> > news:481B4967.C86278B8@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > > I repair, rewire, or seriously modify at least 5 AM radios per year.
> > > I've done 3 this year and there are 3 waiting to be done, and its
only
> > > May.
> > >
> > > I built a complete radio in 1999, 10kHz of AF bandwidth, variable
> > > selectivity, linear IF amp, linear detector, linear AF amp with
> > > EL34 in triode with 12AX7 and 12dB FB. Rola 12" Deluxe speaker from
1953
> > > with a dome tweeter from 1972, because the 12" speaker is fairly
flat
to
> > > 5kHz.
> > >
> > > I have never heard any other AM sets that come close except
> > > the one in the AM-FM tuner at my website, which I designed, and of
> > > course the
> > > Quad AM tuner all tubed, that isn't bad at all.
> >
> > Could you please give a link to your website? Is there a schematic of
that
> > radio, mentioned above, which you designed? Is it TRF?
> > Regards,
> > Alex
> >
> > > Patrick Turner.
>
> The kitchen radio I mentioned from 1999 above
> has a different circuit to one I just gave you at
> http://www.turneraudio.com.au/am-fm-radio-tuner-multiplex-decoder.html
>
> I don't have the kitchen radio schematic at the website.
>
> But what my kitchen radio does have is..
>
> 3 gang tuning cap.
>
> Two RF coils with ferrite cores for high Q and two C gangs are coupled
> so that there is no sideband cutting of AF
> right across the AM band, which means each coil is tuned to a slightly
> different F.
>
> There is no ferrite antenna, just loose coupling from a wire antenna to
> one input coil.
>
> There is a variable µ twin triode used as a cascode RF amp stage and RC
> coupled to the 6AN7 F converter
> to make an IF signal.
> There is AVC voltage applied only to the cascode input triodes.
>
> The IF amp is 6BX6 with unbypassed Rk and no AVC applied, so its fairly
> linear.
> There is a cathode follower and diode detector cabable of detecting
> about 10 times the actual voltage detected with very good linearity and
> bandwidth.
>
> Two standard IF trannies are used, but the first one after the F
> converter
> has one IF coil monted on a slide and a knob on the front of the radio
> rotates to move the coil to coilo distance about 10mm.
> This allows the radio to be tuned normally to a single
> a single peak when tuning and then after closing the coils closer, the
> IF BW is much increased to allow 9Khz of audio to be detected, but all
> while
> retaining very good skirt selectivity and rejection of
> stations only 45kHz away even if they have 20 times the transmitting
> power.
>
> There are in fact 6 tuned circuits in all, so the attenutation
> of signals away from the wanted stations is excellent,
> yet what is wanted sounds very nearly as good as FM.
>
> The 3rd gang of the cap is for the oscillator.
>
> I paid very careful attention to tracking.
>
> TRF sets are quite poor performers today because the stations are now
> close together,
> unlike in 1935, when the band wasn't crowded.
>
> TRF usually used only 3 tuned circuits which needed careful tuning,
> and they gave a peaked response, not a flat topped band band pass
> character of a critically coupled IFT.
>
> The Superhet with IFTs is definately The Best hi-fi AM tuner you can
> have if its built right,
> and 99% were atrocious, and all mainly conformed to the lowest common
> denominator of utter crap.
>
> When Radio was king before TV, there were very many makers all vying for
> a market share.
> They all agreed with each other to ensure the standards were lousy.
>
> Patrick Turner.

May I ask you, Partick, which AM radio station has the least distortion? I
live in Sydney, and I wold say, BBC (around 600KHz) is the best. Others
use
some elaborate compression and clipping which makes one's ears tired very
soon.

Do the stations INDEED transmit 18KHz of bandwidth? With only 9KHz grid?

On the stereo-decoder note, what is the phasing of 19KHz pilot with
respect
to the 38KHz (suppressed) carrier: do the zero-crossings coinside (every
second one) or peaks coinside (every secon ones)?

I would guess, the peaks. That way it would have been easier to derive
38KHz
simply by a class C frequency multiplier.

By the way, in the Russian stereo system, there is no 19KHz pilot, but
just
a 38KHz vestige with a proper phase. It gets boosted by a q-multiplied LC
tank and fed to a diode ring, similar to what you did..

Regards,
Alex
 




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OPT equalising circuit
Alex <apogosso@[EMAIL   2008-05-01 19:07:20 
Re: OPT equalising circuit
"Phil Allison"   2008-05-02 16:38:09 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-05-02 09:07:11 
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"Alex" <apog  2008-05-02 10:25:13 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-05-02 11:01:52 
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"Alex" <apog  2008-05-02 13:33:31 
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"Phil Allison"   2008-05-03 00:16:56 
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John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-05-02 13:02:12 
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"Phil Allison"   2008-05-03 00:38:46 
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Jon Yaeger <jono_1@[EM  2008-05-02 14:04:27 
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"Phil Allison"   2008-05-03 10:37:31 
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"Phil Allison"   2008-05-03 10:43:04 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-05-03 16:03:56 
"Alex The Shit Head"
"Phil Allison"   2008-05-03 00:15:28 
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John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-05-02 13:05:26 
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"Phil Allison"   2008-05-03 10:12:21 
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"Phil Allison"   2008-05-03 10:37:37 
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John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-05-04 20:27:27 
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"Alex" <apog  2008-05-05 12:04:51 
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John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-05-05 10:33:20 
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"Phil Allison"   2008-05-03 10:08:10 
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flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-05-02 22:45:23 
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"Phil Allison"   2008-05-03 13:56:19 
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flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-05-03 01:36:55 
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"Phil Allison"   2008-05-03 18:41:17 
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flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-05-03 07:58:31 
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"Phil Allison"   2008-05-04 01:25:42 
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John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-05-03 09:56:16 
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flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-05-03 12:33:17 
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John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-05-03 13:07:51 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-05-03 23:53:38 
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flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-05-03 22:10:15 
Re: OPT equalising circuit
"Phil Allison"   2008-05-04 13:26:08 
Re: OPT equalising circuit
flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-05-04 01:18:23 
flipper the steaming great fuckhead
"Phil Allison"   2008-05-04 16:29:32 
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flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-05-04 04:32:48 
flipper = steaming great fuckhead
"Phil Allison"   2008-05-04 21:30:11 
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Robert Casey <wa2ise@[  2008-05-04 16:07:18 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-05-05 10:46:22 
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The Phantom <phantom@[  2008-05-03 20:55:21 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-05-03 15:44:11 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-05-04 20:29:33 
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"Phil Allison"   2008-05-05 10:00:43 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-05-05 14:30:28 
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"Phil Allison"   2008-05-06 10:51:34 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-05-05 10:36:58 
Re: OPT equalising circuit
"Iain Churches"  2008-05-05 15:55:30 
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"Phil Allison"   2008-05-05 23:04:06 
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Jon Yaeger <jono_1@[EM  2008-05-05 09:49:00 
Re: OPT equalising circuit
"Phil Allison"   2008-05-05 23:55:55 
Re: OPT equalising circuit
Jon Yaeger <jono_1@[EM  2008-05-05 10:23:48 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-05-05 19:16:55 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-05-04 20:36:50 
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"Phil Allison"   2008-05-05 10:01:49 
"Alex the Top Posting Cunt "
"Phil Allison"   2008-05-03 00:37:35 
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"Alex" <apog  2008-05-03 05:37:51 
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"Phil Allison"   2008-05-03 16:07:03 
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"Phil Allison"   2008-05-03 18:41:46 
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"Phil Allison"   2008-05-04 01:26:05 
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"Phil Allison"   2008-05-04 09:47:45 
Re: OPT equalising circuit
mick <not.here@[EMAIL   2008-05-02 16:15:45 
Re: OPT equalising circuit
Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-05-02 17:58:12 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-05-02 17:03:26 
Re: OPT equalising circuit
"Alex" <apog  2008-05-03 05:41:51 
Re: OPT equalising circuit
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-05-03 16:07:31 
Re: OPT equalising circuit
"Alex" <apog  2008-05-05 09:26:59 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-05-05 15:28:53 
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"Alex" <apog  2008-05-06 11:29:01 
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"Phil Allison"   2008-05-06 22:55:59 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-05-06 12:57:18 
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"Phil Allison"   2008-05-06 22:56:26 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-05-06 13:59:22 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-05-03 16:34:54 
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"Alex" <apog  2008-05-05 09:39:08 
Re: OPT equalising circuit
"Phil Allison"   2008-05-05 23:00:45 
Re: OPT equalising circuit
John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-05-05 10:30:52 
Re: OPT equalising circuit
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-05-05 15:55:59 
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John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-05-05 16:17:16 
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"BretLudwig" &l  2008-05-04 17:45:18 
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Alex <apogosso@[EMAIL   2008-05-05 17:48:52 
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"Phil Allison"   2008-05-06 22:55:27 
Re: OPT equalising circuit
John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-05-06 13:02:26 

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