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Driving "Miss" 300B

by "GerryE123" <gerrye123@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 4, 2008 at 10:23 AM

Hi:

I have heard or owned a number of single-ended 45, 2A3 and 300B amps.  Of 
these amps, I liked the 300B ones the least.  With that in mind, I just 
recently came across a website for a foreign amplifier manufacturer that
has 
some interesting thoughts about driving the 300B.

I would appreciate your comments about their ideas.  Here's the exact text

from the manufacturers website (NOTE: I am copying it as-is, it loses a
bit 
in the translation):

What points we are interested in?

    Perhaps there are so many 300B single ended amps that we could
    not discern good ones from bad.

    For its natural and mellow mid-range, 300B single ended amp
    is loved so much but its anemic bass and weak high frequency
    response drive out many tube amp enthusiast from entering in the
    Single Ended World.

What are the problems?

    Basically there has been no good driving force for 300B.
    First, Western Electric's 91B circuit was improvised for
    easy manufacturing (for delayed production of 86B) and higher gain for
    a theater system.

    It's driving tube 310B ( or 6SJ7 or 6SH7 ) is pentode, notorious for
    its distortion (too sensitive of its screen grid condition ) and
cotton
    sugar bass response and too high internal impedance (about 100K?!!
    bad frequency response in low and high spectrums).

    Second, there are two stage driver circuit. Some use 6SN7 twin triodes
    one triode for 1st stage and 2nd stage for driving stage. Alas! 6SN7
    is not so powerful for 300B and it's high gain of two stage is not 
suitable
    for 300B power amps, so they sell them as integrated amps.
    Its major defect come from capacitor coupling, which can transfer a
few
    percent of driving wattage to 300B grid, almost of its energy is 
converted
    into useless heat of 6SN7's plate resister.

There are also a power drive circuit using EL34 or 6V6 or we349A (triode 
connection).

    They are not really 'power' drive, why? They use big plate resistor
for 
EL34 about
    10k? 20w, but it generates big heat only and could not drive 300B 
sufficiently due
    to the next coupling capacitor, in theory it transfers only few 
percentage of its
    power.

 There are only two methods to consider.

    First, there is interstage transformer coupling and then plate choke 
drive method
    (which will be discussed in our 300B integrated amplifier). A
interstage 
coupling
    method is a ideal one for transferring driving power to 300B grid for 
its full
    operation.

    Its driving wattage could be transferred about 93% (less some coil and

core loss of
    interstage transformer). We need sufficient power to make 300B work of

its full
    capacity.

    You will be surprised to the difference between under driven operation

of 300B and
    full driven one. But it is really difficult to get a good interstage 
transformer.

 There three points to check for interstage transformer.

    1. Must be wide range. Minimum 20Hz - 20KHz FLAT at designated source 
impedance.
    2. Good response to 10KHz square wave for flexibility and musicality.
    3. Low distortion at low frequencies.

What do you think?  Thanks!

Gerry




 12 Posts in Topic:
Driving "Miss" 300B
"GerryE123" <  2008-05-04 10:23:18 
Re: Driving "Miss" 300B
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-05-04 17:06:29 
New Hagerman 2A3 Amp (was Driving "Miss" 300B)
"GerryE123" <  2008-05-16 20:40:01 
300B SE amps and sanity
"BretLudwig" &l  2008-05-04 18:04:35 
Re: 300B SE amps and sanity
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-05-05 11:28:18 
Re: 300B SE amps and sanity
"BretLudwig" &l  2008-05-05 20:19:18 
Re: 300B SE amps and sanity
Jon Yaeger <jono_1@[EM  2008-05-05 22:50:22 
Re: 300B SE amps and sanity
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-05-06 07:32:48 
Re: 300B SE amps and sanity
suckerton2@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-07 06:35:58 
Re: 300B SE amps and sanity
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-05-07 14:52:45 
Re: Driving "Miss" 300B
Nick Gorham <nick@[EMA  2008-05-05 13:49:50 
Re: Driving "Miss" 300B
Andy Evans <performanc  2008-05-05 15:58:57 

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