atec77 wrote:
>
> Patrick Turner wrote:
> >
> > Trevor Wilson wrote:
> >> "bassett" <bassett@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> >> news:48114809$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
message
> >>> news:67cp5jF2n8njcU1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> .
> >>>> **Let me re-state the situation:
> >>>>
> >>>> * Peter Stein is sup****ting and servicing products he manufactured.
I am
> >>>> servicing and sup****ting ME and other products.
> >>>> * There are others who service and sup****t ME products. Due to the
> >>>> careful matching of semiconductors in all ME products, servicing
the
> >>>> output stages by anyone other than PS (or his appointed
successor/s) is a
> >>>> real bad idea.
> >>>> * Supplying schematics to anyone calling themselves a 'tech', in
the case
> >>>> of ME, may be a very bad idea. Techs who are unable to perform even
basic
> >>>> fault-finding, can end up doing far more damage to the amplifier.
> >>>> * In the case of most ME models, the output stages are modular in
format.
> >>>> This makes removal and replacement a quick, simple exercise. Peter
Stein
> >>>> (and his appointed successors) can effect service to those output
modules
> >>>> and the modules posted back, safely, inexpensively and easily.
Freighting
> >>>> amplifiers around the nation is not required. All that is required,
is a
> >>>> competent tech.
> >>>> * I have seen many ME amplifiers which have been worked on by
incompetent
> >>>> techs. The result is not pretty, nor cheap to rectify.
> >>>> * Poorly serviced ME amplifiers reflect badly on the product's
> >>>> reputation.
> >>>>
> >>>> Trevor Wilson
> >>>>
> >>> One would have thought or at least hoped that electronics' would
have
> >>> advanced, improved, or at the very least progressed to a point
where a 30
> >>> year old design could be called dated, superseded or at the very
last
> >>> 'outmoded' By modern technology, multi-layered chips, and modern
> >>> manufacturing technique's
> >> **I'll let you into a dirty little secret:
> >>
> >> * Amplifier topology (BJT) has not altered since 1965.
> >> * MOSFETs and IGBJTs are the only new devices, necessitating new
topologies
> >> to enter the market place. MOSFETs suck (sound-wise) and IGBJTs have
never
> >> succeeded.
> >> * Even so-called 'digital amplifiers' (aka: Class D) are not new.
They were
> >> around several decades ago.
> >>
> >> There you go. No amplifier is significantly new, nor innovative.
Peter Stein
> >> released his innovative products in 1976. They were and still are,
very
> >> different to almost every other product on the market.
> >>
> >>> At what point do you decide that up-dating, re-fitting, or simply
> >>> replacing old components for new ones, is beyond the scope of
> >>> transforming something into what you consider expectable or
comparable
> >>> to a modern day design. and at the very least on a par with what
is
> >>> available today.
> >> **I'll put a 1976 model ME up against any mass market product
available
> >> today.
> >>
> >>> Or have you also updated your Holden commodore, by removing the
starting
> >>> handle out the front of the radiator, and while it might have been
an
> >>> advantage in the late fifties to have such a leg breaker, we now
have
> >>> modern electronics' making your starting handle obsolete.
> >> **I'd LIKE to update my Commodore to one or more of the following:
> >> * Direct injection Diesel.
> >> * Direct injection petrol.
> >> * Hybrid Diesel/electric engine.
> >> * Side curtain air bags.
> >> * Stability programme.
> >> * Etc.
> >>
> >> I can't because GMH don't make the technology able to be
retro-fitted, nor,
> >> if it was, economically viable. At least Peter Stein ensures that his
> >> customers can keep their products up to date. Which is more than can
be said
> >> of Rotel, Yamaha, Marantz, Onkyo, Krell, etc.
> >>
> >>> In short we get to the point where a 30 year old design, is
simply
> >>> that, nothing more nothing less,
> >> **ALL amplifier designs are at least that old.
> >>
> >> Of cause sup****ting something of that age does
> >>> have considerable advantages, for one thing, nothing new needs to
be
> >>> learned, Old relics constantly breakdown, so an income can be
assured in
> >>> your retirement years.
> >> **I have news for you: Instead of throwing their amps away, ME owners
can
> >> simply update them.
> >>
> >>> Of cause it could also be argued that a modern day design, would
simply
> >>> not make it in this modern age, and there would simply be no need
to
> >>> start manufacturing new models as the dimini****ng market and the
> >>> production costs would make anything new completely out of reach,
price
> >>> wise to Jo Public, unless it was made in China, Korea or Taiwan,
and
> >>> for that to happen schematic's would need to be supplied to the
factory
> >>> of choice, with a undertaking that Chinese laws would need to
change to
> >>> protect the Copyright's of such valuable do***ents
> >> **That much is correct. The rest is just wrong.
> >>
> >> Trevor Wilson
> >
> > ME amps break down, just like everything else.
> >
> > Many people DO NOT WANT AN EXPENSIVE MODIFICATION.
> >
> > They just want it fixed, OK, no upgrades, right!
> >
> > So where are the ****en manuals to allow any capable tech to fix it
> > quick and cheap??????
> >
> > Stop avoiding the issue Wilson.
> >
> > You are showing the world what an obstinate **** you are!!!!
> >
> > Patrick Turner.
> Seems to me what we currently see from twevy is being afraid of manual
> dispersion due to all and sundrey being given the op****tunity to
> actually discover just how old and crap the me design has become in
> relation to other more modern amps thus destroying the perpetration
> ( in his lunchbox) of thier "speshulness"
> Wilson your a dick and if you tried this ****e in my trade you would
> be finished in a week .Still no fear of that atm considering just how
> thicke you have been proven
What Trevor is afraid of while he spews lies and bull**** far and wide
is the loss of income due to other service ppl being enabled to fix ME
amps
if they had a service manual.
ME service manuals = Trevor Wilson's financial decline.
Not once has TW ever stated Peter Stein should make manuals available to
all.
He's lose, that's why.
When these two guys are trundled off to the old folks home with
demetentia,
there will be nobody wanting to fix ME, because there are no manuals.
But an average ME amp has a nice case, nice capacitors, and power
tranny.
People can always strip out the whole audio board and protection boards
if they
can't understand them and start all over again with a new circuit.
Might sound better, depending on how it is done.
ME amps don't need to be dumped.
I have completely re-engineered Phase Linear 700, Quad 405 amps and
others
and replaced all innards with my own boards and circuits.
The results sounded as well as anything from ME.
But such an exercise ain't cheap.
But when repairs mean high expenses paid to the ME 'monopoly'
then other options don't seem too bad.
Not if there were manuals. Then we's all be able to fix a broken ME
when we came across one.
Wilson and Stein are in our way by means of their obstinacy.
DO NOT BUY ME AMPS BEFORE FULL SERVICE INFORMATION BECOMES AVAILABLE.
Patrick Turner.
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