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NFB 101 shunt voltage NFB.

by Patrick Turner <info@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 25, 2008 at 09:26 AM

In some recent articles I posted here I showed that the formulas I
thought were OK simply
were not OK for use with shunt FB around an inverting amp.

After a night's sleep, I speny an hour untangling the mystery
of shunt NFB formulas that don'r work properly, and came up with this
one....


Gain with shunt feedback applied, or closed loop gain, 


A' = ( A - Axß ) / ( Axß + 1 )


Where ß = R1 / ( R1 + R2 ),
A is open loop gain measured when FB network is connected.
A' is closed loop gain.

Let's see if it works, to prove this is right.

Example 1, using triode with A = 20.

Let us suppose this is a 1/2 x 6DJ8 Ia = 5mA, so Ra = 5k, µ =33, RL = 8k
approx. 
R1 = R2 = 210k , so ß = R1 / ( R1 + R2 ) = 0.5.

This set up is an "anode follower". 

A' = ( 20 - 20x0.5 ) / ( 20x0.5 +1 )
   = 10 / ( 10 + 1 )
   = 10 / 11, which is what we would measure,
ie, -11V input gives +10V output.


Example 2, using triode with gain = 20.
R1 = 70k, R2 = 210k, so ß = 70 / ( 70 + 210 ) = 0.25.

A' = ( 20 - 20x0.25 ) / ( 20x0.25 +1 )
   = 15 / 6
   = 2.5, which agrees with what we would measure,
because for -4V input, we would get +10V output.

How I derived the correct formula is my secret, and involves several 
pages of trying to epress gain in terms of A, R1 and R2.

But since ß = R1 / ( R1 + R2 ), then if we let R1 = 1, then ß = 1 / 1 +
R2.

So finally by a process of schoolboy agebraic elimination of unwanted
terms I ended
up with an equation for A' that involved ONLY ß, A and 1.0, and without 
having to know values of R1 or R2, but just knowing ß.

I am not sure of the equation for the output resistance, ie, effective
Ra, or Ra' 
after NFB has been applied.

But Ra' depends on µ, so perhaps we might say 

Ra' = Ra / ( 1 + µxß ).

Consider example 1, the classic anode follower. 

This would mean Ra' =  5k / 1 + 33 x 0.5 

= 5k / 17.5 = 284 ohms approx.

To check this you need to adjust the value of RL to 
change the gain.

Rout = change in anode output voltage / change in load current.

The A for varying loads can be easily we worked out from A = µ x RL / (
RL + Ra ),
correct for all tubes.


Patrick Turner.




 3 Posts in Topic:
NFB 101 shunt voltage NFB.
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-25 09:26:24 
Re: NFB 101 shunt voltage NFB.
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-25 22:45:13 
Re: NFB 101 shunt voltage NFB.
Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-04-26 17:41:38 

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