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Re: NFB101 Crisis!

by Andre Jute <fiultra1@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 22, 2008 at 09:58 AM

On Apr 22, 1:09=A0pm, Ian Thompson-Bell <ruffreco...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> I have just been working through the math for shunt derived shunt
> applied NFB around an amp and Ican't get the expected result.
>
> Imagine an inverting amp with an open loop gain of -Ao with a feedback
> resistor from output to input of Rf and an input resistor from signal
> source to the input of Ri. =A0I get a closed loop gain of:
>
> An =3D Ao/(1+(Ri/Rf)+(Ri.Ao/Rf)) when I expected some thing of the form:
>
> An =3D Ao/(1+=DF.Ao) where =DF =3D Ri/Rf
>
> but instead I get Ao/(1+=DF+=DF.Ao)
>
> I have checked the math several times and cannot see where I have gone
> wrong. Anyone throw any light on this?
>
> Cheers
>
> Ian

I can't help you with the math but when you need a break you can get a
giggle at "ZNFB: Religious imperative or manner of speaking?":
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/KISS%20104%20by%20Andre%20Jute.htm
and at: "Why there is no negative feedback in The KISS Amp"
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/KISS%20123%20by%20Andre%20Jute.htm

Enjoy.

Andre Jute
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 21 Posts in Topic:
NFB101 Crisis!
Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-04-22 13:09:24 
Re: NFB101 Crisis!
Andre Jute <fiultra1@[  2008-04-22 09:58:49 
Re: NFB101 Crisis!
"Ian Iveson" &l  2008-04-23 03:07:00 
Re: NFB101 Crisis!
Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-04-23 10:19:48 
Re: NFB101 Crisis!
"Ian Iveson" &l  2008-04-23 18:01:09 
Re: NFB101 Crisis!
Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-04-23 23:03:12 
Re: NFB101 Crisis!
"Ian Iveson" &l  2008-04-24 01:01:57 
Re: NFB101 Crisis!
Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-04-24 10:33:15 
Re: NFB101 Crisis!
"Ian Iveson" &l  2008-04-24 11:17:34 
Re: NFB101 Crisis!
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-24 15:54:05 
Re: NFB101 Crisis!
Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-04-24 17:02:14 
Re: NFB101 Crisis!
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-23 11:04:06 
Re: NFB101 Crisis!
"Alex" <apog  2008-04-23 12:14:33 
Re: NFB101 Crisis!
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-23 13:34:18 
Re: NFB101 Crisis!
Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-04-23 17:07:55 
Re: NFB101 Crisis!
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-24 08:02:52 
Re: NFB101 Crisis!
Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-04-24 10:35:57 
Re: NFB101 Crisis!
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-24 17:11:04 
Re: NFB101 Crisis!
"Alex" <apog  2008-04-24 09:52:58 
Re: NFB101 Crisis!
"Alex" <apog  2008-04-24 09:59:30 
Re: NFB101 Crisis!
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-24 15:48:32 

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