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Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise

by "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 17, 2008 at 07:19 AM

"Patrick Turner" <info@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:47DD0B84.E12FE8B9@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>

<SNIP>
>
> More about noise and its causes is in RDH4, and because j-fets were not
> invented in 1953
> when RDH4 was being written, I suggest interested ppl search on the net
> and read many books to put themselves
> in touch with what makes a quiet preamp.

**Thanks for all that, Patrick. As always, very interesting. Just a minor 
nit-pick though. FETs have actually been around for a long time. A very
long 
time. Here's a few patent references:

http://v3.espacenet.com/origdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US1745175&RPN=CA272437&DOC=ca9239e0872ee7a55e19d3915900a7771e

http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=GB439457

Of course, neither device was commercially available. Imagine if people
had 
paid attention to this technology back in the 1930s. Having said all that,

practical FETs did not arrive until around 1958. Long after RDH4 was 
written.

Trevor Wilson
 




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Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-03-16 11:58:50 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise
"roughplanet" &  2008-03-16 23:41:01 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-03-16 16:11:21 
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"Trevor Wilson"  2008-03-17 07:19:59 
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flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-16 23:21:12 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise
"Trevor Wilson"  2008-03-17 15:36:52 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise
flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-17 11:06:29 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-03-17 09:27:10 
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flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-17 12:22:25 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-03-18 09:12:54 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise
"keithr" <ke  2008-03-18 20:50:39 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-03-18 11:01:35 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-18 11:12:43 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-03-18 14:30:47 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-03-19 07:33:43 
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"Trevor Wilson"  2008-03-19 07:53:13 
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"keithr" <ke  2008-03-19 12:02:33 
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"keithr" <ke  2008-03-19 11:17:00 
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"Trevor Wilson"  2008-03-19 07:46:44 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise
"keithr" <ke  2008-03-19 12:05:46 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise
"Trevor Wilson"  2008-03-19 12:20:29 
What is the NRA? (was: Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise)
John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-03-20 15:52:49 
Re: What is the NRA? (was: Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise)
flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-20 13:55:35 
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flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-18 20:46:42 
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"Trevor Wilson"  2008-03-19 12:54:55 
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flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-18 21:08:00 
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"Trevor Wilson"  2008-03-19 14:59:40 
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"keithr" <ke  2008-03-20 00:06:45 
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flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-19 14:41:43 
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"Trevor Wilson"  2008-03-20 07:58:01 
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"WindsorFox<SS>  2008-03-19 22:15:38 
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"Trevor Wilson"  2008-03-21 14:00:47 
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flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-20 00:40:20 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-20 11:30:27 
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flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-21 00:36:56 
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"keithr" <ke  2008-03-25 13:09:05 
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"Trevor Wilson"  2008-03-21 16:38:44 
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flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-22 18:48:19 
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"Trevor Wilson"  2008-03-24 08:03:33 
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flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-04-23 01:02:30 
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"Trevor Wilson"  2008-04-24 08:46:57 
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flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-04-23 19:55:44 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise
"Trevor Wilson"  2008-04-24 11:59:33 
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atec77 <atec77NOSPAM@[  2008-04-24 16:26:16 
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"Trevor Wilson"  2008-04-24 16:53:56 
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atec77 <atec77NOSPAM@[  2008-04-24 20:36:32 
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"Trevor Wilson"  2008-04-24 20:46:42 
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atec77 <atec77NOSPAM@[  2008-04-24 22:08:09 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-24 15:56:23 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-04-24 20:26:32 
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"TT" <TTence  2008-04-25 08:40:09 
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"Trevor Wilson"  2008-04-25 11:06:47 
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"bassett" <b  2008-04-25 12:50:45 
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"Trevor Wilson"  2008-04-25 14:14:51 
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atec77 <atec77NOSPAM@[  2008-04-25 18:32:23 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-25 10:08:51 
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atec77 <atec77NOSPAM@[  2008-04-25 20:29:27 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-26 06:47:14 
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"bassett" <b  2008-04-26 16:58:41 
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"Trevor Wilson"  2008-04-28 08:05:30 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-25 10:03:20 
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"TT" <TTence  2008-04-25 11:05:47 
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"Alan Rutlidge"  2008-04-25 16:46:09 
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"Trevor Wilson"  2008-04-25 20:30:47 
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atec77 <atec77NOSPAM@[  2008-04-25 21:26:01 
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"Alan Rutlidge"  2008-04-25 21:20:58 
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"Trevor Wilson"  2008-04-26 19:20:44 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-04-26 13:29:55 
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"Trevor Wilson"  2008-04-27 08:58:01 
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"Alan Rutlidge"  2008-04-26 20:02:07 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-26 16:16:37 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise (attention Alan and Iain)
"Trevor Wilson"  2008-04-27 09:21:37 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise (attention Alan and Iain)
atec77 <atec77NOSPAM@[  2008-04-27 10:46:57 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-27 13:06:27 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise (attention Alan and Iain)
"Trevor Wilson"  2008-04-28 06:55:17 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise (attention Alan and Iain)
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-28 00:10:22 
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"keithr" <ke  2008-04-28 14:50:30 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise (attention Alan and Iain)
"Trevor Wilson"  2008-04-28 15:20:49 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise (attention Alan and Iain)
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-28 07:06:03 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise (attention Alan and Iain)
"keithr" <ke  2008-04-28 20:52:05 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-28 15:22:51 
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"Trevor Wilson"  2008-04-29 04:29:12 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-29 14:01:31 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-28 07:04:51 
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"roughplanet" &  2008-04-27 13:52:31 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise (attention Alan and Iain)
"Trevor Wilson"  2008-04-27 14:22:04 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-27 13:24:00 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-27 15:43:55 
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"roughplanet" &  2008-04-28 19:42:19 
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"Trevor Wilson"  2008-04-28 19:57:16 
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"roughplanet" &  2008-04-28 20:22:40 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-28 07:53:43 
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"roughplanet" &  2008-04-29 19:05:24 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-29 08:17:01 
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"Phil Allison"   2008-04-29 22:26:28 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-29 13:40:52 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-29 13:14:27 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-30 00:24:11 
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"TT" <TTence  2008-04-29 22:32:13 
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"roughplanet" &  2008-04-30 01:43:39 
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"TT" <TTence  2008-04-30 11:35:38 
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"roughplanet" &  2008-04-30 14:05:10 
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"TT" <TTence  2008-04-30 12:43:20 
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"Trevor Wilson"  2008-04-30 14:56:06 
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atec77 <atec77NOSPAM@[  2008-04-30 15:55:25 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-30 09:38:54 
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"roughplanet" &  2008-04-30 20:05:15 
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"roughplanet" &  2008-04-30 01:37:47 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-29 13:33:26 
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"bassett" <b  2008-04-28 00:17:10 
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"Trevor Wilson"  2008-04-27 06:49:11 
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"Alan Rutlidge"  2008-04-27 14:08:29 
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"Trevor Wilson"  2008-04-27 19:16:48 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-27 13:29:20 
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"Alan Rutlidge"  2008-04-27 23:43:40 
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"Trevor Wilson"  2008-04-28 07:06:23 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-28 00:37:51 
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"Trevor Wilson"  2008-04-28 12:05:09 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-28 01:58:23 
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"keithr" <ke  2008-04-28 13:49:26 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-28 04:46:39 
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"keithr" <ke  2008-04-28 20:48:49 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-28 14:20:51 
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"keithr" <ke  2008-04-29 11:50:44 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-29 04:32:13 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-27 12:40:26 
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"keithr" <ke  2008-04-28 14:14:08 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-28 05:08:29 
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"keithr" <ke  2008-04-28 18:03:18 
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"TT" <TTence  2008-04-28 17:56:57 
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"Alan Rutlidge"  2008-04-28 18:07:03 
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"roughplanet" &  2008-04-28 20:32:12 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-28 15:33:28 
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"roughplanet" &  2008-04-29 19:10:00 
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"bassett" <b  2008-04-28 00:10:09 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-26 06:51:41 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-25 09:43:41 
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Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-04-27 18:53:01 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise
"Trevor Wilson"  2008-04-28 13:18:46 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-28 05:49:22 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-28 02:21:29 
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Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-04-27 06:35:52 
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"Trevor Wilson"  2008-04-28 08:04:49 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-28 00:48:35 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise
"Trevor Wilson"  2008-04-28 11:10:23 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-28 02:06:43 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise
"Alan Rutlidge"  2008-04-28 17:31:53 
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"Trevor Wilson"  2008-04-28 19:48:55 
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"Phil Allison"   2008-04-28 20:40:04 
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"Trevor Wilson"  2008-04-29 08:06:01 
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"Phil Allison"   2008-04-29 12:38:12 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-29 13:52:00 
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atec77 <atec77NOSPAM@[  2008-04-28 20:42:20 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise
"Phil Allison"   2008-04-28 11:35:20 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise
Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-04-26 19:47:04 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise
"Trevor Wilson"  2008-04-27 13:41:11 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise
"Alan Rutlidge"  2008-04-27 14:19:50 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-27 13:54:33 
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atec77 <atec77NOSPAM@[  2008-04-27 19:18:57 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-04-27 13:22:06 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise
"keithr" <ke  2008-03-19 13:14:44 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise
"Trevor Wilson"  2008-03-19 14:50:58 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-03-19 07:42:48 
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flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-18 06:10:37 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-03-19 07:28:26 
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flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-20 06:55:44 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-03-20 16:53:20 
Re: Tube/Valve Amp Noise
"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-24 17:36:40 

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