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Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer update?)

by John Byrns <byrnsj@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 4, 2008 at 07:43 PM

In article <NZ1zj.188534$LD6.127142@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
 "Ian Iveson" <IanIveson.home@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> Ian said:
> 
> > Well, I've made my position clear a while back and I have
> > been busy lately doing part 2 of NFB 101 in the process of
> > which an idea struck me. Has anyone thought of using a
> > grounded grid amplifier as a mix amp?
> 
> Yes. It seemed the obvious choice for the bus. An
> alternative would be an ordinary gain stage with a low value
> grid resistor.
> 
> I couldn't maintain interest in mixer design beyond getting
> the ideas straight. It seemed like a fool's errand, and
> still does. I can't see why a valve mixer is a good idea. A
> box of mic amps, yes, with a state of the art SS mixer amp
> and chip earphone amp, maybe.
> 
> And I could only copy a respected valve mic amp, considering
> I've never done any recording and have no idea what they are
> supposed to sound like.
> 
> And I noticed that no-one else has actually posted very
> specific details. Coyness, in addition to the usual
> animosities, was clearly going to frustrate any attempt at
> serious discourse.

I posted a block diagram description of my Mk II design along with the 
specific tubes used in each block a while back.  IIRC, from that 
description Ian Thompson-Bell was able to correctly describe the circuit 
topology I used in each block, so all we need now are the component 
values and a few details like the pan pot circuit and how feedback is 
applied around the various blocks.  So if you would like to know the 
values of any particular resistors in the circuit you have only to ask.  
The circuit details have been undergoing constant refinement, so far the 
changes have involved a switch from a pan pot circuit using a single 
element pan pot to Ian's pan pot idea using a two element control, and 
some details of the feedback circuit around the microphone preamp are 
still up in the air, but everything else has remained pretty well 
settled in the Mk II design.  My Mk I design, which used way too many 
tubes, used a two element pan pot circuit like Ian proposed, so you 
might consider adopting Ian's pan pot design simply a reversion to my 
earlier design.

The work on my BBC inspired "RAT Retro Mixer" design has got me thinking 
about yet another design inspired by the Ampex recorder electronics that 
Iain mentioned in another thread.  I haven't yet put this simplified 
design to paper, but I am tentatively calling it the "RAT Audiophile 
Mixer", a mixer designed to please the fanciers of SET amplifiers, if 
you will.


Regards,

John Byrns

-- 
Surf my web pages at,  http://fmamradios.com/
 




 50 Posts in Topic:
RAT Tube Mixer update?
"Iain Churches"  2008-02-15 21:30:14 
Re: RAT Tube Mixer update?
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-02-16 01:11:05 
Re: RAT Tube Mixer update?
John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-02-16 05:20:31 
Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer update?)
John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-03-01 20:37:49 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-01 22:27:03 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
"Iain Churches"  2008-03-02 09:08:37 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-03-02 20:17:37 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-02 20:29:51 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-03-02 21:07:03 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-03-04 19:41:35 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-03-04 20:06:41 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
The Phantom <phantom@[  2008-03-05 08:19:26 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-03-05 11:05:03 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-03-06 08:45:44 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
Nick Gorham <nick@[EMA  2008-03-06 12:10:21 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-03-06 16:50:08 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
"Ian Iveson" &l  2008-03-04 01:54:53 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
Ian Thompson-Bell <nos  2008-03-04 11:02:35 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-03-04 19:45:35 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-03-04 20:08:14 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
"Ian Iveson" &l  2008-03-06 02:58:21 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-03-06 09:21:22 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-06 10:35:21 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-03-06 16:55:46 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
"Iain Churches"  2008-03-04 15:23:03 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-04 13:46:59 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
"Iain Churches"  2008-03-04 16:50:08 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-04 15:42:07 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
"Iain Churches"  2008-03-05 09:32:55 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-03-04 19:43:17 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
"Iain Churches"  2008-03-05 10:08:59 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-03-05 11:35:58 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
"Iain Churches"  2008-03-05 20:49:29 
Re: RAT Tube Mixer update?
Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-02-16 12:22:51 
Re: RAT Tube Mixer update?
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-02-16 15:26:59 
Re: RAT Tube Mixer update?
Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-02-16 19:33:20 
Re: RAT Tube Mixer update?
John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-02-16 10:40:13 
Re: RAT Tube Mixer update?
Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-02-16 19:31:02 
Re: RAT Tube Mixer update?
John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-02-16 17:27:49 
Re: RAT Tube Mixer update?
Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-02-17 19:26:42 
Re: RAT Tube Mixer update?
John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-02-17 22:36:32 
Re: RAT Tube Mixer update?
Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-02-17 23:52:57 
Re: RAT Tube Mixer update?
Ian Thompsson-Bell <no  2008-02-25 10:30:11 
Re: RAT Tube Mixer update?
Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-02-17 19:45:40 
Re: RAT Tube Mixer update?
John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-02-17 22:42:06 
Re: RAT Tube Mixer update?
"Iain Churches"  2008-02-18 09:16:29 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-03 18:11:47 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-04 02:43:37 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-03 18:47:59 
Re: Where is Graham's mixer design? (was Re: RAT Tube Mixer upda
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-04 03:00:38 

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