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Ground Busses

by "Iain Churches" <IainNG@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 2, 2008 at 02:39 PM

Patrick posted some interesting facts about ground buss
connections, which I have extracted from another thread
and pasted here, because I think the subject is im****tant
enough to warrant  its own thread.

He wrote:

> The 0V rail of the preamp should be a short buss wire about 100mm long
> with ends connected to the RCA plug 0V bodies at inputs and outputs.
> ALL parts with OV connections should be made to this buss,
> and the CHASSIS or CASE connected via a 5 watt 27 ohm R, and the case
> taken to the  green/yellow wire to the wall socket so the case can't
> become live to mains or the B+. There should be NO direct connection of 
> the OV buss to the case.
-- 


I ask:

In other words the mains supply case should be bonded to the case,
and the 0V (signal grounds) taken to the ground point via a 27 Ohm
5W resistor?

Why is this?

My experience with ground buss amps is limited. I have never been
able to make them quiet enough. I found that the exact position in
which a wire was placed on the buss was critical, and that a difference
was audible.It may be there is something lacking in my implementation
of the buss.

I prefer to use a star ground, as follows.  Earth (ground) connection
from the supply - the only green yellow wire in the amplifier is taken
straight to the chassis bonding screw.  The input and output RCA
signal connectors I used are the isolated type (Neutrik NF2D)

http://www.neutrik.com/uk/en/audio/210_3470585/NF2D-B-0_detail.aspx

I run a separate wire (black) from each of the RCA input and output
ground tags to the star ground. Signal wires on the input side have
their ****elds connected at the RCA socket end only.

On the psu, I run separate grounds (heavier wire) from each cap
separately to the star. They are not linked.  The only exception to
this is the 1st (reservoir) electrolytic , which is connected directly
to the neg terminal of the FW bridge, and then to the star.

This is a topology I have seen used on amps that perform well,
and has been taught to me as a good solution.
It seems to work. My 50W power amp has only 80µV
of noise (-108dB) and no audible hum even with the ear
against the speaker (Tannoy Gold 15 inch)

Regards to all
Iain
 




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Ground Busses
"Iain Churches"  2008-03-02 14:39:01 
Re: Ground Busses
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-03-02 13:33:14 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-03-02 19:31:36 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-03-03 09:47:34 
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John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-03-03 14:35:01 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-03 14:41:28 
Re: Ground Busses
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-03-03 23:57:54 
Re: Ground Busses
"Ian Iveson" &l  2008-03-02 17:25:44 
Re: Ground Busses
"Iain Churches"  2008-03-02 19:40:14 
Re: Ground Busses
Henry Pasternack <foo@  2008-03-02 13:33:52 
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John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-03-02 19:22:20 
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"Henry Pasternack&qu  2008-03-02 15:43:40 
Re: Ground Busses
John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-03-02 21:32:27 
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"Henry Pasternack&qu  2008-03-02 16:41:56 
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John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-03-02 21:53:31 
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"Ian Iveson" &l  2008-03-03 00:25:43 
Re: Ground Busses
Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-02 10:19:30 
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Henry Pasternack <foo@  2008-03-02 13:59:23 
Re: Ground Busses
Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-03-02 20:43:54 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-02 20:53:54 
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Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-03-02 22:33:05 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-02 22:53:06 
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Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-03-02 23:15:46 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-03 00:05:21 
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"Henry Pasternack&qu  2008-03-02 15:53:59 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-02 21:21:23 
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"Henry Pasternack&qu  2008-03-02 16:41:12 
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Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-03-02 22:53:09 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-02 23:09:04 
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Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-03-02 23:17:43 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-02 23:42:21 
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"Henry Pasternack&qu  2008-03-02 18:36:51 
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John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-03-02 21:50:36 
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Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-03-02 22:57:57 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-03-03 10:57:16 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-03-04 15:25:27 
Re: Ground Busses
"West" <west  2008-03-02 19:13:07 
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Joe <joe@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-06 03:11:24 
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flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-06 05:02:33 
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Nick Gorham <nick@[EMA  2008-03-02 21:39:18 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-03-03 10:19:32 
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Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-03-02 11:38:51 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-03-04 15:24:42 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-04 13:50:07 
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John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-03-04 15:16:54 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-04 15:44:26 
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Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-03-02 14:01:01 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-02 16:02:00 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-02 16:07:14 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-03 00:21:31 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-02 16:23:30 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-02 16:36:41 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-02 16:42:15 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-02 16:46:15 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-02 16:56:51 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-03 01:05:35 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-03-03 21:31:25 
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"keithr" <ke  2008-03-04 21:31:36 
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Joe <joe@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-07 10:36:03 
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flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-08 16:19:36 
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Nick Gorham <nick@[EMA  2008-03-09 00:30:30 
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flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-08 22:27:45 
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Nick Gorham <nick@[EMA  2008-03-09 09:43:34 
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flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-09 08:31:14 
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Joe <joe@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-06 07:06:06 
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flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-07 03:43:39 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-03 01:15:31 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-03 01:17:38 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-03 01:18:57 
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Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-03-02 17:31:23 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-02 18:18:19 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-02 18:27:17 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-03 02:33:09 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-02 18:51:45 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-02 18:56:54 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-02 19:08:07 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-03 04:49:18 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-03 04:51:27 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-03-03 12:44:25 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-03 13:13:23 
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robert casey <wa2ise@[  2008-03-03 11:39:26 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-04 00:37:37 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-03-05 11:04:26 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-03 08:42:59 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-03 08:51:13 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-03 08:58:50 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-03 09:06:54 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-03 09:10:29 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-04 00:39:34 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-04 00:41:06 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-04 00:43:00 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-03 16:42:23 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-03 16:53:42 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-03 17:05:31 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-03 17:08:02 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-03 17:11:33 
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"keithr" <ke  2008-03-04 21:14:28 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-03-04 01:27:40 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-03-04 01:37:25 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-04 01:42:56 
Unprofessional behaviour on RAT, was Re: Ground Busses
Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-03 17:51:27 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-03 17:59:48 
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"Henry Pasternack&qu  2008-03-03 21:13:43 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-04 02:44:36 
Re: Unprofessional behaviour by A Joot.
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-04 02:01:36 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-04 02:04:50 
Re: Unprofessional behaviour by A Joot.
Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-03 18:05:49 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-04 02:09:14 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-03-04 15:17:32 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-04 13:45:01 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-03-04 16:50:33 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-04 15:43:26 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-10 07:14:50 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-10 12:29:36 
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"Ian Iveson" &l  2008-03-10 13:27:13 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-12 10:14:02 
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"Ian Iveson" &l  2008-03-13 03:11:55 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-03-13 07:38:05 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-13 06:23:48 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-03-13 08:53:16 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-13 07:16:13 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-03-13 08:59:12 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-13 10:56:07 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-13 20:24:14 
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"Fred" <No@[  2008-03-13 22:28:03 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-03-14 09:14:07 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-14 08:46:10 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-03-14 16:41:26 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-03-14 10:13:00 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-14 09:58:15 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-03-14 16:44:50 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-16 22:06:43 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-03-10 18:39:10 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-12 10:18:48 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-03-13 07:56:28 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-13 06:47:12 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-03-13 09:05:14 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-13 11:05:32 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-03-14 16:54:25 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-16 22:09:24 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-03-17 16:02:49 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-17 20:19:58 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-17 20:20:51 
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John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-03-18 00:38:13 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-25 15:14:21 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-03-18 14:44:43 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-25 15:17:31 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-03-26 11:34:41 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-26 08:04:48 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-28 15:26:26 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-13 11:04:14 
Re: Ground Busses
"Iain Churches"  2008-03-14 16:47:57 
Re: Unprofessional behaviour by A Joot.
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-04 02:42:13 
What are Poopie and Porno Pas doing on a tube conference?
Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-03 18:55:02 
Re: Ground Busses
Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-03 18:58:17 
Porno Pas tells Poopie: Anyone can design stinking mixer, was Re
Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-03 19:08:25 
A Joot shows off again !
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-04 03:15:08 
Poopie Stevenson once more is caught lying
Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-03 19:20:50 
Re: Ground Busses
Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-04 06:56:50 
Another ankle-nipper waterbombs RAT Re: Ground Busses
Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-04 07:02:34 
Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
"keithr" <ke  2008-03-05 09:39:19 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
Jon Yaeger <jono_1@[EM  2008-03-04 17:49:42 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-05 01:56:24 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
Jon Yaeger <jono_1@[EM  2008-03-04 21:28:41 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
"keithr" <ke  2008-03-05 22:41:25 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
Jon Yaeger <jono_1@[EM  2008-03-05 09:22:09 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-05 16:06:08 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-05 11:53:40 
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"keithr" <ke  2008-03-06 14:13:48 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
Jon Yaeger <jono_1@[EM  2008-03-05 22:29:47 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-05 23:58:13 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
"keithr" <ke  2008-03-06 21:42:57 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-05 15:58:13 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-12 10:38:41 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
"Iain Churches"  2008-03-05 10:06:09 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
"keithr" <ke  2008-03-05 23:41:48 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-05 15:49:12 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
Joe <joe@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-10 03:27:12 
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flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-11 17:17:04 
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Ian Thompson-Bell <nos  2008-03-12 08:15:52 
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Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-03-04 07:45:48 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-03-04 18:52:35 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-03-04 19:24:08 
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Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-03-04 17:51:02 
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"Iain Churches"  2008-03-05 09:29:39 
Why the Macs is the computer of choice for intelligent people, w
Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-04 17:05:25 
Re: Why the Macs is the computer of choice for posers, wasRe: Jo
"keithr" <ke  2008-03-05 23:27:30 
Re: Why the Macs is the computer of choice for dimwits and LIARS
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-05 01:57:54 
Let's see the stuff(ing?) of which Poopie Stevenson is made
Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-04 18:41:55 
A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-04 18:46:32 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
WindsorFox-{SS}- <wind  2008-03-09 15:09:39 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-10 00:14:42 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
WindsorFox-{SS}- <wind  2008-03-09 23:57:30 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-10 07:09:39 
Re: Let's see the stuff(ing?) of which Poopie Stevenson is made
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-05 02:47:55 
Re: Let's see the stuff(ing?) of which Poopie Stevenson is made
John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-03-04 22:16:17 
Re: Let's see the stuff(ing?) of which Poopie Stevenson is made
"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-12 14:16:48 
Re: Let's see the stuff(ing?) of which Poopie Stevenson is made
Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-04 18:55:41 
Re: Let's see the stuff(ing?) of which Poopie Stevenson is made
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-05 03:02:07 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-04 20:05:32 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-12 14:12:15 
Re: Let's see the stuff(ing?) of which Poopie Stevenson is made
Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-04 20:42:55 
Re: Let's see the stuff(ing?) of which Poopie Stevenson is made
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-05 06:27:39 
Re: Ground Busses
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-03-05 11:07:08 
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Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-03-05 11:12:37 
Re: Unprofessional behaviour on RAT, was Re: Ground Busses
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-03-05 12:13:41 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-05 06:24:08 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-05 06:31:34 
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"keithr" <ke  2008-03-06 11:14:19 
Re: Unprofessional behaviour on RAT, was Re: Ground Busses
Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-05 06:55:21 
Who is this Keithr anyway and what does he want on RAT? was Re:
Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-05 07:03:16 
Re: Who is this Keithr anyway and what does he want on RAT? was
"keithr" <ke  2008-03-06 10:21:09 
Andre Jute boy genius
"keithr" <ke  2008-03-06 21:56:03 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-05 07:09:10 
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"keithr" <ke  2008-03-06 10:35:52 
Re: Let's see the stuff(ing?) of which Poopie Stevenson is made
Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-05 07:21:52 
Re: Let's see the stuff(ing?) of which Poopie Stevenson is made
"keithr" <ke  2008-03-06 22:04:25 
The ungentlemanly conduct of Poopie Stevenson, was Re: Let's see
Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-05 07:28:13 
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Joe <joe@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-05 09:46:03 
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flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-05 11:55:47 
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"keithr" <ke  2008-03-06 11:16:44 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-05 08:14:37 
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Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-05 08:26:20 
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Nick Gorham <nick@[EMA  2008-03-05 17:07:35 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-03-05 11:17:56 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
Nick Gorham <nick@[EMA  2008-03-05 17:41:29 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-05 12:17:17 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
"keithr" <ke  2008-03-06 11:10:18 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-05 22:22:57 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-05 17:46:59 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-05 12:08:05 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-12 10:46:18 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
"keithr" <ke  2008-03-06 10:59:23 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-05 23:02:41 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-05 09:58:49 
Early desktop computer operating systems
Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-05 10:04:39 
Re: Early desktop computer operating systems
John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-03-05 12:47:14 
Re: Early desktop computer operating systems
flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-05 13:50:36 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-03-06 08:25:02 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-03-06 16:19:06 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-06 18:58:29 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
Joe <joe@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-06 03:22:23 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
"keithr" <ke  2008-03-06 21:48:52 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-03-06 08:49:46 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-03-06 17:15:37 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-03-06 09:44:16 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
John Byrns <byrnsj@[EM  2008-03-06 13:20:27 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-03-07 03:45:50 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-03-06 10:25:41 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-06 18:59:06 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-03-06 12:06:38 
Re: Proper Australian wheels
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-07 01:40:00 
Re: Proper Australian wheels
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-07 01:40:44 
Re: Proper Australian wheels
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-07 01:41:32 
Re: Proper Australian wheels
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-03-07 02:37:21 
Re: Proper Australian wheels
"bassett" <b  2008-03-07 21:45:55 
Re: Jooty baby's ego knows no bounds Re: Ground Busses
Patrick Turner <info@[  2008-03-07 03:59:44 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-09 16:19:03 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
WindsorFox-{SS}- <wind  2008-03-09 23:51:17 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
WindsorFox-{SS}- <wind  2008-03-09 23:55:57 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for pompous people
"keithr" <ke  2008-03-11 23:09:43 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-03-09 17:14:14 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-12 10:39:50 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-10 00:20:56 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-10 00:22:36 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-03-10 00:23:51 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-03-12 08:13:40 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
"WindsorFox<SS>  2008-03-12 10:29:38 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-12 13:56:27 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-03-12 08:50:17 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
"keithr" <ke  2008-03-13 07:29:52 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
"WindsorFox<SS>  2008-03-12 16:53:32 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
Jon Yaeger <jono_1@[EM  2008-03-12 19:08:32 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
"keithr" <ke  2008-03-14 10:13:54 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
Nick Gorham <nick@[EMA  2008-03-14 01:29:45 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
Michael Press <rubrum@  2008-03-31 21:37:41 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-13 21:34:17 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
"keithr" <ke  2008-03-14 13:48:58 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-15 22:55:39 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
"WindsorFox<SS>  2008-03-16 13:36:30 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
Nick Gorham <nick@[EMA  2008-03-17 01:11:29 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
"keithr" <ke  2008-03-18 14:30:55 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
"WindsorFox<SS>  2008-03-18 08:59:18 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-18 20:59:42 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
"WindsorFox<SS>  2008-03-18 21:40:24 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
Ian Thompson-Bell <nos  2008-03-19 11:56:36 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
"WindsorFox<SS>  2008-03-19 09:25:31 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
Ian Thompson-Bell <nos  2008-03-19 16:00:26 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
"WindsorFox<SS>  2008-03-19 13:18:46 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-03-19 22:40:52 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
"WindsorFox<SS>  2008-03-19 22:00:32 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
Ian Thompson-Bell <nos  2008-03-20 11:43:45 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-03-19 22:38:49 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
Ian Thompson-Bell <nos  2008-03-19 11:55:13 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-20 00:51:34 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
Ian Thompson-Bell <nos  2008-03-20 11:50:37 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-20 14:06:31 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
Ian Thompson-Bell <ruf  2008-03-20 20:38:14 
Re: A Mac is an elegant implementation for elegant people, so...
flipper <flipper@[EMAI  2008-03-20 23:41:07 
Can a sillicon slime hold more than one idea in his head? Re: Le
Andre Jute <fiultra@[E  2008-03-12 16:13:51 
Re: Can a sillicon slime hold more than one idea in his head? Re
"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-12 20:33:51 
Jute is posing again
"keithr" <ke  2008-03-14 10:33:21 
Re: Ground Busses
Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-03-13 03:40:55 
Re: Ground Busses
Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-03-13 08:49:51 
Re: Ground Busses
"Iain Churches"  2008-03-14 16:53:18 
Re: Jute is posing again
Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-03-13 16:50:41 
Re: Ground Busses
Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-03-17 06:50:01 
Re: Ground Busses
"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-17 20:18:43 
Re: Ground Busses
Ian Thompson-Bell <nos  2008-03-18 11:22:58 

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