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Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?

by Major Jocelyn <majorj@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 9, 2008 at 07:38 AM

Trevor Wilson a écrit :
> "Major Jocelyn" <majorj@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
> news:rpNUj.16181$HB2.8355@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Trevor Wilson a écrit :
>>> "EADGBE" <hwbosshoss@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
>>>
news:618995cb-7dbb-4a94-806c-a2c24de7541e@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> Thanks for taking the time to reply, but I have to say that you seem
>>>> to be too biased against "old stuff" to really be able to give me a
>>>> thoughtful answer.
>>> **Incorrect. I am merely providing a thoughtful, concise answer. I am 
>>> intimately familiar with old equipment.
>>>
>>>  I'm not trying to insult you, but it does seem to
>>>> me that you are one of those who thinks that "old = bad" and "new =
>>>> good".
>>> **Nonsense. I am one of those who thinks that old, crappy = bad. Old, 
>>> good = good.. New, crappy = bad. New, good = good.
>>>
>>>> You said it yourself - people are paying big bucks for vintage gear
>>>> like this.  You have to ask yourself: WHY are they doing it?
>>> **They're deluded.
>> Totally Wrong! You can get awesome piece of vintage equipment for the 
>> price you will pay for new crappy stuff.
> 
> **Wrong. You MIGHT get a piece of adequately functioning equipment. Or
not. 
> You might end up with a piece of junk wich requires vast sums to be
spent, 
> in order to bring it up to a reasonable level of performance.
> 
>>>   If there
>>>> is one area where people are very picky about getting what they paid
>>>> for, it is in the area of home audio.  If there wasn't such a demand
>>>> for certain pieces of vintage gear, the prices wouldn't be as high as
>>>> they are.  YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR more often than not!
>>> **Nope. More often that not, you get crap, at high prices.
>> I see that you really but really don't know what you are talking about.
> 
> **Really? Let me outline _my_ experience for you:
> 
> * 1974-1979 - Service manager for Marantz Australia.
> * 1979 - Now - Service tech for my own business. I've serviced thousands
of 
> different products, including many Pioneers. Unlike you, I KNOW exactly
what 
> is wrong with 1970s vinage equipment.
> 
> The old Pioneers are better than some and worse than others, in both
design 
> and construction. In all cases, they cannot come close to modern,
PROPERLY 
> designed equipment, in performance on a Dollar for Dollar basis. Second
hand 
> prices are, of course, difficult to assess. I can tell you, however,
that 
> 1970s equipment tends to be over-priced.
> 
> Now: Tell me about YOUR experience. How many old Pioneers have you
serviced?
> 
> 
> Trevor Wilson 
> 
> 
I have own several Pioneer receivers and amp (starting with the 
SX-626,going to the SX-939 then the SA-9900) followed by Kenwood KA-9100 
then Sansui CA-3000 Preamp with Dynaco ST-400 power Amp followed by 
Radford SC-242 Preamp and Quad 405 Power Amp and Finally since 1990 the 
Luxman L-550. All these component are still working perfectly. I gave 
the CA-3000/Dynaco ST-400 to a kid (22 years old is a kid for me) a 
couple weeks ago. I admit that I had to replace some capacitor on the 
Quad and the Dynaco + cleaning of the other one but as I said they all 
work perfectly. As for my Experience, I work as a senior salesmen in a 
Hi-Fi chain so I know by the quatity of receivers that stop working 
after being in use for less than 2 years that today's stuff do not have 
the quality of construction and design that the vintage stuff do.
And unlike you I do not make a living servicing NEw equipment.




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PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
EADGBE <hwbosshoss@[EM  2008-05-03 09:00:33 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
"Trevor Wilson"  2008-05-05 13:33:02 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
"Mark D. Zacharias&q  2008-05-05 12:00:08 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
"Trevor Wilson"  2008-05-09 06:55:46 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
"Dave" <dspe  2008-05-05 15:02:15 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
EADGBE <hwbosshoss@[EM  2008-05-05 05:00:43 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
"Trevor Wilson"  2008-05-09 06:59:55 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
Major Jocelyn <majorj@  2008-05-08 21:04:28 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
"Trevor Wilson"  2008-05-09 14:23:29 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
Major Jocelyn <majorj@  2008-05-09 07:38:16 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
"Trevor Wilson"  2008-05-09 23:40:30 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
Major Jocelyn <majorj@  2008-05-09 10:35:03 
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"James" <jam  2008-05-09 09:51:08 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
"Trevor Wilson"  2008-05-10 00:32:05 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
JamesGangNC@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-05 05:14:48 
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JamesGangNC@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-05 08:41:13 
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EADGBE <hwbosshoss@[EM  2008-05-05 08:53:27 
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"James" <jam  2008-05-08 08:09:14 
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"Dave" <dspe  2008-05-08 14:49:36 
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JamesGangNC@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-08 08:24:11 
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sgordon@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-08 19:23:39 
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"Dave" <dspe  2008-05-08 20:49:34 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
Major Jocelyn <majorj@  2008-05-08 16:57:38 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
"James" <jam  2008-05-08 18:13:18 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
Major Jocelyn <majorj@  2008-05-08 21:11:04 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
"James" <jam  2008-05-09 08:26:28 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
Major Jocelyn <majorj@  2008-05-09 10:11:28 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
JamesGangNC@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-08 08:27:45 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
"Dave" <dspe  2008-05-08 15:55:18 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
zekfrivo@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-08 16:35:31 
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"Serge Auckland"  2008-05-08 17:01:54 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
JamesGangNC@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-08 10:08:57 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2008-05-09 10:33:02 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
"Trevor Wilson"  2008-05-15 12:14:26 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
JamesGangNC@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-09 09:51:01 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
JamesGangNC@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-09 09:56:15 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
Major Jocelyn <majorj@  2008-05-09 14:29:25 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2008-05-14 21:51:15 

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