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Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?

by "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 9, 2008 at 02:23 PM

"Major Jocelyn" <majorj@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:rpNUj.16181$HB2.8355@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Trevor Wilson a écrit :
>> "EADGBE" <hwbosshoss@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
>>
news:618995cb-7dbb-4a94-806c-a2c24de7541e@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Thanks for taking the time to reply, but I have to say that you seem
>>> to be too biased against "old stuff" to really be able to give me a
>>> thoughtful answer.
>>
>> **Incorrect. I am merely providing a thoughtful, concise answer. I am 
>> intimately familiar with old equipment.
>>
>>  I'm not trying to insult you, but it does seem to
>>> me that you are one of those who thinks that "old = bad" and "new =
>>> good".
>>
>> **Nonsense. I am one of those who thinks that old, crappy = bad. Old, 
>> good = good.. New, crappy = bad. New, good = good.
>>
>>> You said it yourself - people are paying big bucks for vintage gear
>>> like this.  You have to ask yourself: WHY are they doing it?
>>
>> **They're deluded.
>
> Totally Wrong! You can get awesome piece of vintage equipment for the 
> price you will pay for new crappy stuff.

**Wrong. You MIGHT get a piece of adequately functioning equipment. Or
not. 
You might end up with a piece of junk wich requires vast sums to be spent,

in order to bring it up to a reasonable level of performance.

>
>>   If there
>>> is one area where people are very picky about getting what they paid
>>> for, it is in the area of home audio.  If there wasn't such a demand
>>> for certain pieces of vintage gear, the prices wouldn't be as high as
>>> they are.  YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR more often than not!
>>
>> **Nope. More often that not, you get crap, at high prices.
>
> I see that you really but really don't know what you are talking about.

**Really? Let me outline _my_ experience for you:

* 1974-1979 - Service manager for Marantz Australia.
* 1979 - Now - Service tech for my own business. I've serviced thousands
of 
different products, including many Pioneers. Unlike you, I KNOW exactly
what 
is wrong with 1970s vinage equipment.

The old Pioneers are better than some and worse than others, in both
design 
and construction. In all cases, they cannot come close to modern, PROPERLY

designed equipment, in performance on a Dollar for Dollar basis. Second
hand 
prices are, of course, difficult to assess. I can tell you, however, that 
1970s equipment tends to be over-priced.

Now: Tell me about YOUR experience. How many old Pioneers have you
serviced?


Trevor Wilson
 




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PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
EADGBE <hwbosshoss@[EM  2008-05-03 09:00:33 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
"Trevor Wilson"  2008-05-05 13:33:02 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
"Mark D. Zacharias&q  2008-05-05 12:00:08 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
"Trevor Wilson"  2008-05-09 06:55:46 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
"Dave" <dspe  2008-05-05 15:02:15 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
EADGBE <hwbosshoss@[EM  2008-05-05 05:00:43 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
"Trevor Wilson"  2008-05-09 06:59:55 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
Major Jocelyn <majorj@  2008-05-08 21:04:28 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
"Trevor Wilson"  2008-05-09 14:23:29 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
Major Jocelyn <majorj@  2008-05-09 07:38:16 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
"Trevor Wilson"  2008-05-09 23:40:30 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
Major Jocelyn <majorj@  2008-05-09 10:35:03 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
"James" <jam  2008-05-09 09:51:08 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
"Trevor Wilson"  2008-05-10 00:32:05 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
JamesGangNC@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-05 05:14:48 
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JamesGangNC@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-05 08:41:13 
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EADGBE <hwbosshoss@[EM  2008-05-05 08:53:27 
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"James" <jam  2008-05-08 08:09:14 
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"Dave" <dspe  2008-05-08 14:49:36 
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JamesGangNC@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-08 08:24:11 
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sgordon@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-08 19:23:39 
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"Dave" <dspe  2008-05-08 20:49:34 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
Major Jocelyn <majorj@  2008-05-08 16:57:38 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
"James" <jam  2008-05-08 18:13:18 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
Major Jocelyn <majorj@  2008-05-08 21:11:04 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
"James" <jam  2008-05-09 08:26:28 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
Major Jocelyn <majorj@  2008-05-09 10:11:28 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
JamesGangNC@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-08 08:27:45 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
"Dave" <dspe  2008-05-08 15:55:18 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
zekfrivo@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-08 16:35:31 
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"Serge Auckland"  2008-05-08 17:01:54 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
JamesGangNC@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-08 10:08:57 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2008-05-09 10:33:02 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
"Trevor Wilson"  2008-05-15 12:14:26 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
JamesGangNC@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-09 09:51:01 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
JamesGangNC@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-09 09:56:15 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
Major Jocelyn <majorj@  2008-05-09 14:29:25 
Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?
Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2008-05-14 21:51:15 

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