Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?

"Major Jocelyn" <majorj@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> sgordon@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 a écrit :
>> JamesGangNC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
>> : But I did mean to say that they are not any better than a basic,
>> : under $200 stereo receiver made today.
>>
>> But wouldn't it sound better than something he could likely get
>> for free today?  :)
>>
>  I cannot agree with JamesGangNC. Those 2 receiver WILL be better than
any 
> basic under $200 stereo receiver made today.
> Why? 1- Power Supply. Today receiver use very low current PS compare
with 
> pre-1985 stéreo equipment. Can you explain how can a receiver like the 
> Pioneer VSX-518-K that give you "120w X 5 channel" but consume only 
> 280watts while the SX-780 give you
> 45W X 2 and consume 150Watts.
>      2- Power Rating. Today receiver are almost always rated at 
> 100w/channel with no indication about from what HZ to what KHz
>         at at what % of THD. Pre-1985 receivers always tell the TRUE
>         wattage.
>      3- THD- Today basic receivers are rated at between 0.2% and 0.9%
THD 
> with no indication about at what power while pre-1985 receivers where 
> almost all below 0.07% AT FULL POWER.
>      4- IM Distortion. On today receivers Specs, you will find no
mention 
> of the IM Distortion.
>      5- DURABILITY- In 10 years you will still listen to the SX-750 or 
> SX-790 while your brand new receiver would have died after 4-5      
years 
> of regular use.
>      I have compare a Pioneer a Pioneer SX-A6-J that sell at 800$ with
my 
> Luxman L-550. A neigbour have bought this "high-end" receiver after he
saw 
> praise in a Hi-Fi magazine. He knew that I have a good system so after a

> few days of listening to his Pioneer he askes if he could bring it at my

> place to listen with it in my audio room. I connected my speaer to it.
He 
> then listen to it and wanted to compare with the Luxman. I adjust the 
> loudness of the Luxman to the same level with test tone and a Sound
Level 
> Meter.The result? He sent back his Pioneer and he bought a Luxman L-430.

> You know why? The quality of the sound. With the Luxman you get Depth, 
> Purity, precise Imaging amd Dynamics everithing that was missing with
the 
> Pioneer. Oh by the way he got the Luxman L-430 for less than 120$ with 
> ****pping. So he save around 680% and he end up with a much better amp.
By 
> the way try to find spec about the Pioneer SX-A6-J. The only thing the 
> mentionned is 60WX2 that's all. Where is the % of THD ? This power is 
> between 20hz and 20Khz or is it at 1000hz? Is it at 0.005% THD like the 
> Luxman or at 0.9% THD? Is the rated power at 8 Ohms or 4 Ohms? The
Luxman 
> L-550 give 50W X2 at 8 Ohms and 110W X2 at 4 Ohms.
> The Luxman net weight is 40lbs, while the Pioneer SX-A6-J "****pping" 
> weight is 27Lbs. The Luxman consume 310 watts and If I remember
correctly 
> the SX-A6-J only 160 watts. How come? this is 2008 stuff it is supposed
to 
> be "Better". So EADGBE Keep any of the 2 they will outlast any today's 
> basic crap that retail for 500$ (and less) and it will be Better WAY 
> Better.
>
> Jocelyn
> Proud Son of Leo Major, DCM & Bar
> To know why I am proud go there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Major

You need to learn more about the stk based amps.  And I was not comparing
it 
to low end surround sound systems.  Many of which use switching power 
supplies and class d amps.