Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?

sgordon@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 a écrit :
> JamesGangNC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> : But I did mean to say that they are not any better than a basic,
> : under $200 stereo receiver made today.
> 
> But wouldn't it sound better than something he could likely get
> for free today?  :)
> 
  I cannot agree with JamesGangNC. Those 2 receiver WILL be better than 
any basic under $200 stereo receiver made today.
Why? 1- Power Supply. Today receiver use very low current PS compare 		 
        with pre-1985 stéreo equipment. Can you explain how can a 		 
receiver like the Pioneer VSX-518-K that give you "120w X 5 			channel" 
but consume only 280watts while the SX-780 give you
	45W X 2 and consume 150Watts.
      2- Power Rating. Today receiver are almost always rated at 
    	        100w/channel with no indication about from what HZ to what
KHz
         at at what % of THD. Pre-1985 receivers always tell the TRUE
         wattage.
      3- THD- Today basic receivers are rated at between 0.2% and 
0.9% 			THD with no indication about at what power while pre-1985 		 
receivers where almost all below 0.07% AT FULL POWER.
      4- IM Distortion. On today receivers Specs, you will find no 		 
mention of the IM Distortion.
      5- DURABILITY- In 10 years you will still listen to the 
SX-750 or 			SX-790 while your brand new receiver would have died 
after 4-5 	      	years of regular use.
      	
I have compare a Pioneer a Pioneer SX-A6-J that sell at 800$ with my 
Luxman L-550. A neigbour have bought this "high-end" receiver after he 
saw praise in a Hi-Fi magazine. He knew that I have a good system so 
after a few days of listening to his Pioneer he askes if he could bring 
it at my place to listen with it in my audio room. I connected my speaer 
to it. He then listen to it and wanted to compare with the Luxman. I 
adjust the loudness of the Luxman to the same level with test tone and a 
Sound Level Meter.The result? He sent back his Pioneer and he bought a 
Luxman L-430. You know why? The quality of the sound. With the Luxman 
you get Depth, Purity, precise Imaging amd Dynamics everithing that was 
missing with the Pioneer. Oh by the way he got the Luxman L-430 for less 
than 120$ with ****pping. So he save around 680% and he end up with a 
much better amp. By the way try to find spec about the Pioneer SX-A6-J. 
The only thing the mentionned is 60WX2 that's all. Where is the % of THD 
? This power is between 20hz and 20Khz or is it at 1000hz? Is it at 
0.005% THD like the Luxman or at 0.9% THD? Is the rated power at 8 Ohms 
or 4 Ohms? The Luxman L-550 give 50W X2 at 8 Ohms and 110W X2 at 4 Ohms.
The Luxman net weight is 40lbs, while the Pioneer SX-A6-J "****pping" 
weight is 27Lbs. The Luxman consume 310 watts and If I remember 
correctly the SX-A6-J only 160 watts. How come? this is 2008 stuff it is 
supposed to be "Better". So EADGBE Keep any of the 2 they will outlast 
any today's basic crap that retail for 500$ (and less) and it will be 
Better WAY Better.

Jocelyn
Proud Son of Leo Major, DCM & Bar
To know why I am proud go there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Major