Re: PIONEER RECEIVERS: Which One Do I Keep?

On May 8, 11:24=A0am, JamesGan...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 8, 10:49=A0am, "Dave" <dspear9...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > "James" <ja...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > "EADGBE" <hwbossh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > >> Dave:
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> > >> BRAVO.
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> > >> I could not possibly have said it any better.
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> > >> It's nice to know that I'm not the only one to "hear the light", so
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> > >> speak.
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> > > Be that as it may those pioneers really do not have any features
that
> > > would make them any better than newer recievers. =A0Those both were
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> > > for the masses.
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> > Never indicated that older was better, simply sought to dispel the
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> > held myth that newer is better.
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> > And maybe, just maybe, it's not about "features" but about sound?
=A0Wha=
t kind
> > of features do you really need in an amplifier? =A0I could spend
$24,000=
+ on a
> > pair of Mark Levinson monoblock amplifiers. =A0You know what "feature"
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ells
> > them? =A0The sound. =A0No knobs, no effects, no digital signal
processor=
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> > surround sound, subwoofer output, HDMI interface. =A0No. =A0Analog
input=
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> > Speaker output. =A0Good sound. =A0Hardly for everyone, but I just want
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> > illustrate that there is a ****tion of the population whose #1
requiremen=
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> > isn't a system which necessarily fully integrates all audio and video
> > functions into a single connected system with a single remote control.
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=A0I
> > believe this is what you mean when you talk about "features"... I may
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> > wrong.
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> > I don't think anybody would buy a 70's or 80's receiver like the
Pioneer=

> > we've been talking about as the cornerstone of their home theatre
setup.=

> > But if your requirements are good clean two-channel sound and good
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> > quality (and REALLY cheap price) then these units fit the bill
perfectly=
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> > Again, not that the masses are ready to be sold on the environmental
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act,
> > but I feel good about spending a (very) few bucks repairing something
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ich
> > is perfectly good and does what I want as opposed to buying into the
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ern
> > paradigm which says it's cheaper to replace than repair. =A0Go to your
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> > landfill and have a look at the gargantuan pile of electronic
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> I was not meaning 'wiz-bang' features either. =A0Just basics. =A0Nothing
> wrong with those receivers. =A0If you have one and it still does what
> you need that's fine. =A0But I did mean to say that they are not any
> better than a basic, under $200 stereo receiver made today. =A0Pioneer,
> marantz, and others did make some top of the line discrete gear that
> is more sought after as well as having some pretty good specs. =A0But
> it's not the 750/780s. =A0And it's not anything with the stks in it.
> Those were the beginning of conformity in low/mid range stereos.- Hide
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And I don't need any amplifier to "contribute" to the sound.  Just
reproduce the signal.  I think most would agree that the speakers are
the biggest factor in sound anyway.  Amplifiers don't add "warmth" or
"color" to the music.  If they do then something is wrong with them.