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Re: Is 44.1 KHz sample-rate enough? Yes and No.

by "Chronic Philharmonic" <karl.uppiano@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 30, 2008 at 03:30 AM

"Mr.T" <MrT@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:4817df56$0$17511$afc38c87@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> "Randy Yates" <yates@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:m3tzhkm5yc.fsf@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>   > So 24-bits can withstand a max of 144 dB without clipping.
>>
>>   The FILE can, but NOT any hardware!!!!!!!
>>
>> > But there is NO available hardware
>>
>> You didn't say "available" hardware---you said ANY hardware.
>
> Strange then that you have included it above.
> In any case I certainly never said "no possible FUTURE hardware" did I?
> IF you know of ANY available hardware with 144dB DNR then just tell us, 
> and
> we can stop arguing.
> Surely you have something better to complain about though?

Fifteen years ago I attended a seminar put on by Crystal Semiconductor to 
talk about their A/D and D/A converters. I was primarily interested in
audio 
applications, but they also discussed instrumentation devices. These were 
sigma-delta noise-shaping devices capable of true 24-bit resolution (in 
truth, their 24 bit audio devices were not, at least at that time).
Anyway, 
they still had a problem with the instrumentation devices at the LSB
level. 
It seems the thermocouple effects of simply soldering the parts together 
caused a temperature dependent DC offset which could not be ignored, even 
though the converters were self-calibrating. From that, it became obvious
to 
me that 24 bits (audio or not) was getting to the theoretical level of 
dimini****ng returns, requiring near superhuman efforts to keep the 
resolution stable. I doubt the theoreticals have changed much in fifteen 
years.
 




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Is 44.1 KHz sample-rate enough? Yes and No.
"Green Xenon [Radium  2008-04-16 15:08:05 
Re: Is 44.1 KHz sample-rate enough? Yes and No.
Allen Watson <awatson3  2008-04-17 17:17:09 
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Martin.Schoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-18 08:42:07 
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"Green Xenon [Radium  2008-04-18 13:49:38 
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Ron Capik <r.capik@[EM  2008-04-18 21:35:28 
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"Green Xenon [Radium  2008-04-18 17:36:30 
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Ron Capik <r.capik@[EM  2008-04-19 01:39:46 
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"Green Xenon [Radium  2008-04-18 19:28:19 
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Ron Capik <r.capik@[EM  2008-04-19 20:15:38 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-18 20:18:33 
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"Green Xenon [Radium  2008-04-18 17:40:26 
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Ron Capik <r.capik@[EM  2008-04-19 01:47:12 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-19 00:55:20 
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"Green Xenon [Radium  2008-04-28 18:32:18 
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"Richard Crowley&quo  2008-04-28 18:55:49 
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"Green Xenon [Radium  2008-04-28 19:39:34 
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Chris Hornbeck <chrish  2008-04-29 02:48:24 
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"Mr.T" <MrT@  2008-04-29 12:00:01 
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"Green Xenon [Radium  2008-04-28 19:42:14 
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"Mr.T" <MrT@  2008-04-29 13:02:14 
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"Green Xenon [Radium  2008-04-28 20:45:58 
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"Mr.T" <MrT@  2008-04-29 18:21:26 
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"Green Xenon [Radium  2008-04-29 18:51:59 
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Chris Hornbeck <chrish  2008-04-30 02:00:09 
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"Mr.T" <MrT@  2008-04-30 12:29:01 
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"geoff" <geo  2008-04-30 14:40:26 
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dplatt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-29 20:21:04 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-29 04:15:06 
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Chris Hornbeck <chrish  2008-04-29 03:51:39 
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"geoff" <geo  2008-04-30 10:10:17 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-05-14 06:29:14 
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"Mr.T" <MrT@  2008-05-14 20:50:31 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-05-15 10:22:40 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-19 22:09:32 
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dpierce.cartchunk.org@[EM  2008-04-28 07:22:57 
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dpierce.cartchunk.org@[EM  2008-04-28 13:03:55 
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Peter Irwin <pirwin@[E  2008-04-28 23:55:30 
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Edmund <nomail@[EMAIL   2008-04-28 12:39:45 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-28 09:07:25 
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Edmund <nomail@[EMAIL   2008-04-28 14:22:08 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-28 16:15:47 
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"Mr.T" <MrT@  2008-04-29 11:14:26 
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"geoff" <geo  2008-04-30 10:08:40 
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"Mr.T" <MrT@  2008-04-30 09:23:47 
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"geoff" <geo  2008-04-30 12:06:04 
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"Mr.T" <MrT@  2008-04-30 10:16:56 
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Edmund <nomail@[EMAIL   2008-04-28 16:02:27 
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Edmund <nomail@[EMAIL   2008-04-29 12:45:23 
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Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2008-04-29 11:18:54 
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"Mr.T" <MrT@  2008-04-30 09:19:28 
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Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2008-04-29 11:22:10 
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"Mr.T" <MrT@  2008-04-30 09:22:37 
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Edmund <nomail@[EMAIL   2008-04-29 22:47:02 
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"Mr.T" <MrT@  2008-04-30 09:39:42 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-30 08:06:59 
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"Serge Auckland"  2008-04-30 13:53:28 
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Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2008-04-29 21:11:06 
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"Mr.T" <MrT@  2008-04-30 12:17:06 
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Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2008-04-29 22:28:43 
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"Mr.T" <MrT@  2008-04-30 12:55:25 
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"Chronic Philharmoni  2008-04-30 03:30:18 
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Chris Hornbeck <chrish  2008-04-30 04:01:39 
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"Chronic Philharmoni  2008-04-30 05:48:24 
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"Green Xenon [Radium  2008-04-29 23:06:56 
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"Mr.T" <MrT@  2008-04-30 16:57:48 
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dplatt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-30 13:04:03 
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"Green Xenon [Radium  2008-04-30 17:25:35 
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"Green Xenon [Radium  2008-04-30 17:40:33 
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"Richard Crowley&quo  2008-04-30 18:31:27 
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Ron Capik <r.capik@[EM  2008-05-01 01:41:43 
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"WindsorFox<SS>  2008-04-30 21:12:52 
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"Richard Crowley&quo  2008-05-01 06:24:57 
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"WindsorFox<SS>  2008-05-01 12:13:21 
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"Richard Crowley&quo  2008-05-01 10:31:25 
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"WindsorFox<SS>  2008-05-02 17:46:27 
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Ron Capik <r.capik@[EM  2008-05-02 23:23:18 
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Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2008-04-29 22:52:38 
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"Green Xenon [Radium  2008-04-29 20:25:57 
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Chris Hornbeck <chrish  2008-04-30 03:32:27 
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Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2008-04-29 23:04:49 
Re: Is 44.1 KHz sample-rate enough? Yes and No.
"Mr.T" <MrT@  2008-04-30 15:38:20 

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