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Re: Dual 1219 problem - weak left channel output

by RuF <RuF@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 17, 2008 at 10:42 PM

RuF wrote:
> jakdedert wrote:
>> RuF wrote:
>>
>>>>     If those measurements were made with the turntable in the off 
>>>> position, then you are measuring what should be a near short across 
>>>> the cables. If that is so, then you likely have a dirty muting 
>>>> switch or bad cables.  If that measurement was made with the unit on 
>>>> and the arm above the record, then you've got the lowest resistance 
>>>> measurement I've ever heard of on a cartridge.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Tim Schwartz
>>>> Bristol Electronics
>>>
>>> Thanks again Tim. Your help is much appreciated.
>>>
>>> This time the measurements were made with the pickup on the record
about
>>> mid point in the tracks.
>>>
>>> The results of the measurements were exactly the same as before, 
>>> which would
>>> appear to suggest that there may be a problem with the mute switch.  
>>> The RCA
>>> cables were installed a few months ago to replace the old 5-pin DIN 
>>> plug and cable
>>> and were soldered to the same connections that were used previously. 
>>> The original
>>> ground cables from the turntable are still used and are attached to 
>>> the chassis
>>> of the Sony amplifier. The ground from the arm wiring is also 
>>> attached to the same
>>> wires. I guess I could replace the original ground cables, if
necessary.
>>>
>>> Today I'll  check the muting switch and clean up the terminals and 
>>> anything else I
>>> can see in that area.
>>
>> I think you definitely should check that area.  There should be a 
>> difference in reading with the arm down.
>>
>> Are you sure you're reading the correct scale on your ohm meter?  I 
>> couldn't remember typical DC resistances off the top of my head, so I 
>> pulled out a few old carts and got out the meter.  On an assortment of 
>> Shure, Stanton and Pickering units (about five altogether), the 
>> readings ran anywhere from 1.25 to 1.5 *KILO* ohms.  However, before I 
>> looked closely at the range indicator on my autoranging meter, I 
>> started to wonder what Tim was referring to.
>>
>> There's no way you could get any output at all if your cartridge was 
>> shorted out, which is the appearance of the readings you re****t.  
>> Check again.
>>
>> OTOH, you should be reading a dead short with the mute switch closed. 
>> Perhaps there's enough resistance in the wiring to give you a reading 
>> of 1.35 ohms--close enough--and the cart resistance is close to that 
>> reading, but in KILO ohms, and you didn't notice the difference?
>>
>> In the same drawer, which I've not pulled out in years, there are 
>> three NOS (never used--no idea why I have them unless it was from my 
>> days as a turntable setup tech in the 70's) Dual slide-in cartridge 
>> mounts.  The contacts on all of those are pretty nasty.  IMO, it would 
>> take chemicals or some serious elbow grease to make them serviceable.  
>> I'd pull yours and make doubly sure that all the contacts, including 
>> the ones on the cartridge terminals and the tonearm, are impeccably 
>> bright and ****ny. There's a lot of potential for contact resistance 
>> there.
>>
>> jak
> 
> 
> Thanks Jak.
> 
> I just completed an inspection and decided to resolder all 4 contacts on

> the
> RCA cables and the grounds, where they connect into the mute switch
area.
> I couldn't tell very much about that switch, so I put everything back 
> together
> again and both channels worked for about 15 mins and then the right one 
> died
> way back to less than 10% of the left channel and stayed there looking 
> almost
> dead - just an occasional tiny spurt.
> 
> In what seems to be the mute switch there is little block - about 3/4" 
> square and
> about 3/8" wide made up of layers of plastic and metal. It is into this 
> block that
> all 4 connections mentioned above are made. There are also two sprung 
> contacts
> from it that lie against the large plastic wheel with the small gears. 
> This wheel is
> concentric with the platter. Are those two contacts the mute switch?  
> How could
> I disable it for a short while to test further.
> 
> The instrument I used was a GB Instruments GMT-12A and the right end of
the
> scale has an omega. Then the numbers go 1,2,3 etc .... up to 1K. Beyond 
> that
> is the infinity symbol.
> 
> The contacts at the end of the arm are ****ny silver but the ones at the 
> end of the
> shell, that make contact with them, are rather dull. I'll try a little 
> metal polish on
> them soon and will let you know what happens.
> 
> Have a great evening :-)

I used metal polish to burnish the 4 contacts at 
the rear of the shell
and then ttried to clean up the 4 mating contacts 
at the front of the arm.
That was when I noticed that the contacts were 
embedded in what
looked like a thin plastic sheet. While cleaning, 
the plate kept moving up
and down. It was just pushed up into a slot and 
was kept in place by
the shell. I pushed it all the way up and then 
attached the cartridge.

On startup I had both channels working great. 
Fingers crossed :-)

Thanks to all for the help.

RuF
 




 15 Posts in Topic:
Dual 1219 problem - weak left channel output
RuF <RuF@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-04-13 15:43:32 
Re: Dual 1219 problem - weak left channel output
Tim Schwartz <timhhk@[  2008-04-14 11:59:26 
Re: Dual 1219 problem - weak left channel output
valhealey <jvhealey@[E  2008-04-15 22:09:46 
Re: Dual 1219 problem - weak left channel output
RuF <RuF@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-04-16 13:43:26 
Re: Dual 1219 problem - weak left channel output
Tim Schwartz <timhhk@[  2008-04-17 11:35:36 
Re: Dual 1219 problem - weak left channel output
valhealey <jvhealey@[E  2008-04-17 11:32:26 
Re: Dual 1219 problem - weak left channel output
valhealey <jvhealey@[E  2008-04-17 12:22:57 
Re: Dual 1219 problem - weak left channel output
RuF <RuF@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-04-17 12:25:12 
Re: Dual 1219 problem - weak left channel output
jakdedert <jakdedert@[  2008-04-17 15:29:13 
Re: Dual 1219 problem - weak left channel output
valhealey <jvhealey@[E  2008-04-17 17:53:13 
Re: Dual 1219 problem - weak left channel output
RuF <RuF@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-04-17 20:07:26 
Re: Dual 1219 problem - weak left channel output
RuF <RuF@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-04-17 22:42:28 
Re: Dual 1219 problem - weak left channel output
jakdedert <jakdedert@[  2008-04-18 08:03:07 
Re: Dual 1219 problem - weak left channel output
Chuck <ch@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-04-18 08:26:01 
Re: Dual 1219 problem - weak left channel output
RuF <RuF@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-04-16 17:28:30 

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