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Re: need help choosing between line level cables

by Chris Hornbeck <chrishornbeckremovethis@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 16, 2008 at 02:39 AM

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:04:10 -0700, "Richard Crowley"
<rcrowley@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>"Eeyore"  wrote ...

>>> It is not the mains power that is earthed/grounded.
>>> It is the RF input cable (from either the community
>>> cable distro system, or from the TVRO antenna).
>> 
>> There's only ONE of those hence no possibility of a LOOP !
>
>Good. We'll remember that next time someone comes
>here asking about their HT system hum problem, and
>why it goes away when they disconnect the cable. We
>will let you explain to them that the hum is only in 
>their imagination.

This kinda thing is a large part of my day-gig these
last coupla years. I used to give the information away
free to our "installer guys" and now I get paid
(peanuts) to fix these issues myself. It's what in
America is called "early retirement". Arf .

Ground loops *do not* require a perfect non-conductive
loop to matter. Just the opposite, in fact. Modern consumer
electronics has many amazingly diverse sources of ground
contamination, and all include some element of current
into a "nominal" ground.

IOW, there are no "grounds". The difference between our
preconceptions of "ground" and the reality are the crux
of the biscuit.


Ground loops are systemic and subtle, and include the
summed parasitic couplings from all devices' mains to
each device's nominal Earth. It's a non-trivial summation.

Much thanks, as alway,

Chris Hornbeck
 




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toecheese <none@[EMAIL  2008-04-13 12:31:25 
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"Richard Crowley&quo  2008-04-13 13:06:56 
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toecheese <none@[EMAIL  2008-04-13 20:10:45 
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"Richard Crowley&quo  2008-04-13 13:19:51 
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toecheese <none@[EMAIL  2008-04-13 20:31:03 
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"Richard Crowley&quo  2008-04-13 14:16:54 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-13 22:30:30 
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"Richard Crowley&quo  2008-04-13 14:38:25 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-13 23:30:49 
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"Richard Crowley&quo  2008-04-13 17:29:05 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-14 10:03:01 
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Kevin McMurtrie <mcmur  2008-04-14 21:25:44 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 12:48:28 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-15 07:52:51 
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nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-15 11:56:46 
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"Serge Auckland"  2008-04-15 13:41:20 
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nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-15 13:00:14 
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"Serge Auckland"  2008-04-15 14:06:55 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 18:32:20 
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"Serge Auckland"  2008-04-15 18:53:33 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 19:03:07 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-15 09:44:37 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 18:29:39 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-15 20:00:10 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-15 09:39:00 
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nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-15 13:43:23 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-15 09:47:35 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 18:26:51 
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nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-15 17:48:55 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 19:01:29 
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nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-15 18:15:08 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 19:48:52 
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nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-15 19:01:04 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 18:26:12 
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"Serge Auckland"  2008-04-15 18:44:12 
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Chris Hornbeck <chrish  2008-04-15 23:26:42 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 18:23:49 
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nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-15 17:50:19 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 19:02:28 
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nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-15 18:16:58 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 19:50:07 
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nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-15 19:01:38 
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jakdedert <jakdedert@[  2008-04-15 13:54:27 
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"Richard Crowley&quo  2008-04-15 12:09:25 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 20:42:52 
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"Richard Crowley&quo  2008-04-15 12:52:46 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 22:30:56 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
"Richard Crowley&quo  2008-04-15 19:04:10 
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Chris Hornbeck <chrish  2008-04-16 02:39:02 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-16 07:06:36 
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Chris Hornbeck <chrish  2008-04-16 22:42:46 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-16 07:02:11 
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"Serge Auckland"  2008-04-15 22:37:12 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 22:46:33 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 22:48:22 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 22:50:01 
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"Serge Auckland"  2008-04-15 23:51:03 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-16 06:56:31 
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"Serge Auckland"  2008-04-16 10:12:46 
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dizzy <dizzy@[EMAIL PR  2008-04-16 22:03:35 
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"Richard Crowley&quo  2008-04-16 15:12:02 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-17 02:54:36 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-17 02:54:13 
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"Serge Auckland"  2008-04-17 13:38:43 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-17 14:00:40 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Chris Hornbeck <chrish  2008-04-16 22:45:47 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 18:20:57 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Kevin McMurtrie <mcmur  2008-04-16 01:17:17 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
"Richard Crowley&quo  2008-04-15 06:19:21 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 18:28:27 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Kevin McMurtrie <mcmur  2008-04-16 01:32:19 
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Tomi Holger Engdahl <t  2008-04-17 11:22:38 
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Kevin McMurtrie <mcmur  2008-04-17 20:23:08 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-13 22:29:45 
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dplatt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-13 14:30:33 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-13 22:25:46 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-13 22:25:01 
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dplatt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-13 14:28:02 

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