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Re: need help choosing between line level cables

by "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 15, 2008 at 09:44 AM

"Serge Auckland" <sergeauckland@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
message news:W5WdnfxZpN4XP5nVnZ2dnUVZ8tOmnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> If I were doing what the OP is doing, I would wire my
> house with CAT5/6 cable which is really cheap these days,
> then use equipment with balanced I/O.

Sounds like a plan.

>  As already
> mentioned, CAT5/6 can carry 4 balanced audio signals, so
> you either get 2 stereos or a send and return stereo pair
> in each cable. Crosstalk isn't an issue with balanced
> operation.

Well, far less of an issue. Low impedance operation also favor low 
crosstalk.

> If suitable balanced equipment isn't
> available, then there are some alternatives. Transformers
> are definitely one, and they have the advantage of
> fully-floating operation and galvanic insulation.

Agreed.

> However, good transformers are expensive, although it's
> not necessary these days to have transformers which will
> drive 600 ohm lines, 10k-10k transformers are somewhat
> cheaper.

I did some tests on the pair of transformers that RS is selling as a
ground 
isolator, for the princely sum of $16.99 or so. They turned out to be very

good, especially if you keep their secondaries loaded with a few K.

http://www.radioshack.com/sm-buy-the-ground-loop-isolator-on-http-wwwradioshackcom--pi-2062214.html

I tested Radio Shack's "Ground Isolator" 270-054 using
test signals that maxed out around 2.5 v RMS. ZSource = 150 ohms, ZLoad = 
10K ohms.

All IM, THD, and noise artifacts were at least 80 dB down with most in
the -100 dB range or better. Frequency response showed a 2 dB peak at 20
Hz
and then 10 dB down at 10 Hz. There was a 3 dB peak at about 51 KHz
falling
to about 10 dB down around 100 KHz. +0.5 dB at 20 KHz.  A little more 
resistive loading tames both peaks.
 




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need help choosing between line level cables
toecheese <none@[EMAIL  2008-04-13 12:31:25 
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"Richard Crowley&quo  2008-04-13 13:06:56 
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toecheese <none@[EMAIL  2008-04-13 20:10:45 
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"Richard Crowley&quo  2008-04-13 13:19:51 
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toecheese <none@[EMAIL  2008-04-13 20:31:03 
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"Richard Crowley&quo  2008-04-13 14:16:54 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-13 22:30:30 
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"Richard Crowley&quo  2008-04-13 14:38:25 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-13 23:30:49 
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"Richard Crowley&quo  2008-04-13 17:29:05 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-14 10:03:01 
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Kevin McMurtrie <mcmur  2008-04-14 21:25:44 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 12:48:28 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-15 07:52:51 
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nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-15 11:56:46 
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"Serge Auckland"  2008-04-15 13:41:20 
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nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-15 13:00:14 
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"Serge Auckland"  2008-04-15 14:06:55 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 18:32:20 
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"Serge Auckland"  2008-04-15 18:53:33 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 19:03:07 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-15 09:44:37 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 18:29:39 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-15 20:00:10 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-15 09:39:00 
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nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-15 13:43:23 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-15 09:47:35 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 18:26:51 
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nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-15 17:48:55 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 19:01:29 
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nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-15 18:15:08 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 19:48:52 
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nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-15 19:01:04 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 18:26:12 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
"Serge Auckland"  2008-04-15 18:44:12 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Chris Hornbeck <chrish  2008-04-15 23:26:42 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 18:23:49 
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nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-15 17:50:19 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 19:02:28 
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nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-15 18:16:58 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 19:50:07 
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nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-15 19:01:38 
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jakdedert <jakdedert@[  2008-04-15 13:54:27 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
"Richard Crowley&quo  2008-04-15 12:09:25 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 20:42:52 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
"Richard Crowley&quo  2008-04-15 12:52:46 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 22:30:56 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
"Richard Crowley&quo  2008-04-15 19:04:10 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Chris Hornbeck <chrish  2008-04-16 02:39:02 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-16 07:06:36 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Chris Hornbeck <chrish  2008-04-16 22:42:46 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-16 07:02:11 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
"Serge Auckland"  2008-04-15 22:37:12 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 22:46:33 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 22:48:22 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 22:50:01 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
"Serge Auckland"  2008-04-15 23:51:03 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-16 06:56:31 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
"Serge Auckland"  2008-04-16 10:12:46 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
dizzy <dizzy@[EMAIL PR  2008-04-16 22:03:35 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
"Richard Crowley&quo  2008-04-16 15:12:02 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-17 02:54:36 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-17 02:54:13 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
"Serge Auckland"  2008-04-17 13:38:43 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-17 14:00:40 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Chris Hornbeck <chrish  2008-04-16 22:45:47 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 18:20:57 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Kevin McMurtrie <mcmur  2008-04-16 01:17:17 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
"Richard Crowley&quo  2008-04-15 06:19:21 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-15 18:28:27 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Kevin McMurtrie <mcmur  2008-04-16 01:32:19 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Tomi Holger Engdahl <t  2008-04-17 11:22:38 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Kevin McMurtrie <mcmur  2008-04-17 20:23:08 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-13 22:29:45 
Re: need help choosing between line level cables
dplatt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-13 14:30:33 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-13 22:25:46 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-13 22:25:01 
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dplatt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-13 14:28:02 

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