On May 17, 6:30=A0pm, "BretLudwig" <bratziru...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>"Re: How can 2pid get things so wrong...
>
> by "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" <artygu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> May
> I wasn't surprised that 2pid was wrong.
>
> I'm about as not surprised that Bratzi is too... ;-)"<<
>
> =A0Col. Jeff Cooper was probably the #1 small arms expert in the United
> States and neither he nor hundreds of other officers, NCOs and law
> enforcement professionals felt the M16/AR-15 weapons system was an
> appropriate selection for the tasks for which it was put by the United
> States Army and USMC.
>
> =A0Eugene Stoner himself was not overly thrilled with the servicewide
> deployment of this rifle and said on many occasions he would have
> preferred many later designs replace it.
>
> =A0I have owned several AR-15 rifles, Colt and other manufactuers', and
> fired many more others including M16A1, A2 and A4 variants owned by the
> military and (in the A1 case) legal Title II licensed private owners. It
> is a nice rifle to shoot and I would recommend it for civilian
> recreational use or for certain specialized LE/security and military
uses.=
> It is not sufficiently reliable in stock form when used and maintained
by
> garden variety troops in the field over a wide range of conditions and
it
> does not fire a battleworthy rifle cartridge. It is not capable of
> reliably stopping enraged or drugged combatants with one bullet under
all
> conditions. It is a varmint round pure and simple.
Not true. It is very reliable when properly maintained. You are
bringing up tales from the initial fielding in the late 1950s/early
1960s. when the military told the soldiers it was a "self-cleaning"
weapon. Colt had also modified the receiver design.
Your 'expertise' with feral cats does not translate very well, Bratzi.
Here, these guys also seem to have some expertise with law enforcement
and feral animals:
"A well maintained AR is one of the most reliable gas-operated weapons
available for police use."
"When used within reasonable limits, say 200 yards, the .223/5.56mm
round strikes a hard blow on a human target. The late gun guru Jeff
Cooper called the round a =93poodle shooter,=94 but I have to respectfully
disagree with the Colonel on this one. As a Deputy Sheriff in Wyoming,
I shot a number of 60 to 200 pound critters with 55 grain FMJ loads
and few traveled more than a couple of steps before going down."
[i.e. Go check out at what range most military firefights occur,
Bratzi. It isn't, BTW, at 600 meters. At that range and beyond there
are other weapons and tactics the infantry would use. I'd imagine the
same can be said for law enforcement.]
http://www.policeone.com/police-products/tactical/articles/1693062-M16-myths=
/
> =A0There are few things as fun as nailing squirrels in the head at
moderat=
e
> ranges with a .223 and cooking them tastily. I love squirrel stew and
> squirrel chow mein. But I won't even shoot feral cats, much less deer,
> with one.
Oh, you're in the mistaken "one shot, one kill" frame of reference.
Military firefights occur most often in very close quarters with
massed fire. A squad is nine people, Bratzi. Have nine people shoot a
deer at close quarters with an M-16 on automatic and tell me the
results. Not everybody is a friendless neo-Nazi like you are. ;-)
Also, see above. LOL!
> =A0The minimum acceptable cartridge is one with at least 7mm bullet
diamet=
er
> and muzzle energy in the class with a .243, .308 or 7.62x39 round.
According to who? Based on what? NATO had been toying with the idea of
a *smaller* caliber bullet along the lines of 4.5-4.8mm. What do they
know that you don't? LOL!
> This
> supposes a larger head diameter cartridge than the .223 and therefore
> rebarreling the M16/AR-15 is not quite an option.
>
> =A0FN/FAL, Galil, or HK rifle systems are all far, far better choices as
> would be a lightened M14/M1A or other Garand derivatives. Moving NATO
from=
> .308 to 7mm08 or .243 would be okay if a flatter shooting lighter
recoilin=
g
> round were needed.
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. You and 2pid are
peas in a pod: no real-world expertise, and lots of pretending.
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