"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:v8KdnVj9nep9lrLVnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "Harry Lavo" <hlavo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:q8GdnRsPA8Fbs7PVnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>
news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-8F6222.17435916052008@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> In article
>>> <yKSdnQ3CtqP9tLPVnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, "Arny
>>> Krueger" <arnyk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>>
news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-01509F.17343616052008@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <x_-dnXr517r7uLPVnZ2dnUVZ_h_inZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, "Arny
>>>>> Krueger" <arnyk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
>>>>>> message
>>>>>>
news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-0539CC.14504416052008@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>> net
>>>>>>> As I said before, I hope that you enjoy that "music".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How is it any less like traditional live music than
>>>>>> listening to a stereo?
>>>>
>>>>> That's not the point,
>>>>
>>>> Really?
>>>
>>> Yes. It's a given that listening to a stereo isn't like
>>> live music.
>>>>
>>>>> but "at least" most recordings of
>>>>> music of the type we're writing about have human
>>>>> performers.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think we are that far from software that can
>>>> pass the Eliza test for
>>>> emotion in music.
>
>>> What's the Eliza test?
>
>> LOL! If he really knew anything about psychology, he
>> wouldn't hold the Eliza program up as a "test" for
>> anything?
>
>>It was a sophomoric little computer program writen to ask open ended
"how
>>do
>>you feel about that" questions keying on certain response structures.
>
> Actually, Eliza was a parody of a Rogerian psychotherapist, as any
decent
> reference on the topic says.
>
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliza_effect
>
> Rogerian pyschotherapists responded largely by rephrasing the patient's
> comments.
>
>>Nobody would mistake it for a real discussion with a psychiatrist,
>>although
>>occassionally it would hit upon a sequence of two or three responses
that
>>might pass for 'real".
>
> It is well known that the Eliza program was a flawed implementation of a
> questionable approach to psychotherapy.
>
> So. I wasn't holding the proposed software up to a very high standard.
>
> A higher standard would be the Turing test.
>
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test
>
> As usual, Harry is imposing his own lack of knowlege and inability to
> reason properly on the discussion.
Very funny, Arny. I properly identified the test...from memory...not from
your crutch, Wikopedia. Some of actually acquired knowledge as we went
along...we don't have to "research' every question, Arny. It's called a
"conversation". Eliza is Eliza, as I said a sophomoric little program
mimicing the open-ended questions of a psychiatrist. Without "Wikopedia",
Arny.
Any you think that shows a lack of knowledge, Arny? Obviously you don't
know the difference between real knowledge and "look up".
|
