On May 15, 3:10=A0pm, ScottW <Scott...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 15, 12:35=A0pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> <artygu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On May 15, 2:12=A0pm, ScottW <Scott...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On May 15, 11:22=A0am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> > > <artygu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > > On May 15, 12:12=A0pm, ScottW <Scott...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> > > > > On May 15, 8:27=A0am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
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> > > > > <artygu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > > > > On May 14, 2:39=A0pm, ScottW <Scott...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > >
>http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/ImmigrationFactSheet.pdf
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> > > > > > > Note the complete lack of detail on border security
>
> > > > > > Obama:
> > > > > > "He sup****ts additional personnel, infrastructure and
technology=
on
> > > > > > the border and at our ****ts of entry. Obama believes we need
> > > > > > additional Customs and Border Protection agents equipped with
be=
tter
> > > > > > technology and real-time intelligence."
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> > > > > No mention of a fence?
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> > > > Fences are stupid ideas, 2pid. I'd rather see more boots on the
grou=
nd
> > > > and more high-tech solutions.
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> > > =A02 guys with ATVs can effectively police lots of fence. =A0 Then
can=
do
> > > **** on an open border.
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> > No, two guys can look at lots of fence. If they see something two guys
> > can't do ****.
>
> =A0 Think we might give 'em some radio and have some backup ready?
So your solution is: have a couple guys out on ATVs. If they happen to
see something, they "call 'em in" (you try to sound so manly, yet you
end up sounding only dumb). These reinforcements, however far away
they are, are on-call to scramble on a moment's notice and are near
enough to get there in time to make a difference. They arrive in
plenty of time to "secure" the area.
LOL!
> > I'm sure that's what you meant.
>
> =A0 You aren't sure where your head it.
A new sentence structure. Meaningless as always, but new.
> > > > Fences, like ladders and shovels, are low-tech.
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> > > =A0and effective. =A0 They do need to be manned, but the manpower
requ=
ired
> > > to police an open border is orders of magnitude greater.
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> > Nobody said "open border".
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> =A0How do you plan to secure it? =A0A man every 50'?
If you want to "secure" the border, it's going to take one hell of a
lot of manpower. If you knew jack ****, you'd know that. Aircraft,
sensors, and everything else will only detect. To *secure* you need
manpower. End of that discussion.
Don't forget, if it is one man every 50 feet, it's actually three men
every 50 feet (you do, I presume, want operations to go 24/7) plus
sup****t and supervisory people.
Get it yet, 2pid? It's going to take one hell of a lot of people. And
that's the only way to "secure" the border. Otherwise it's all just
bull**** and eyewash. You know, "feel-good" stuff like fences.
> > > > Obstacles have to be
> > > > reinforced with things like minefields to be even slightly
successfu=
l.
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> > > =A0Obstacles have to be patrolled. =A0Every institution I know of
that=
> > > tries to keep people in or out employs obstacles.
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> > In small, defined areas like prisons, sure. You're talking a couple of
> > thousand miles here.
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> It's still more efficient than by manpower alone.
> Large stretches of fence can be patrolled by air.
> You can't secure the border by air.
As I said, throw some concertina and some chain link fence up. Add
some sensors and a *lot* of manpower and you *might* have a chance.
Aircraft can only *detect*. What happens after they detect something?
A call goes in to a platoon in Sand Diego, they get airdropped in and
make the arrest? LOL! Nope. You need people in large enough numbers
and close enough to wherever something was detected and to react
quickly to do any good whatsoever.
> > > > Fences are feel-good solutions for morons.
>
> > > > > McCain has repeatedly said he will complete the fence, secure
the
> > > > > border, and have border states governors certify the result.
> > > > > Sadly, that means idiot Arnold will have to ask his wife what
she
> > > > > thinks.
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> > > > As I said, feel-good solutions.
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> > > =A0You don't put a fence out there and walk away.
> > > =A0It in combination with patrols are required.
> > > =A0Failure to do both will be ineffective.
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> > Douglas Massey, a professor of sociology at Princeton University who
> > studies the border and illegal immigration, said the government should
> > spend its money differently.
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> > "It's a waste of money," he said. "If you want to increase security,
> > better to use some of that money for ****ts and trans****tation systems.
> > If you want to lower the rate of Mexican immigration to the U.S., I
> > would spend it on development assistance for Mexico."
>
> =A0A million opinions. =A0I agree that ultimately we have to eliminate
> the lure of jobs as well as securing the border.
To paraphrase the professor's intent: If we lower our wages to their
level, the flow will stop. ;-)
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