On May 15, 12:35=A0pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
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> On May 15, 2:12=A0pm, ScottW <Scott...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On May 15, 11:22=A0am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
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> > > On May 15, 12:12=A0pm, ScottW <Scott...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > On May 15, 8:27=A0am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
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> > > > <artygu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > On May 14, 2:39=A0pm, ScottW <Scott...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > >http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/ImmigrationFactSheet.pdf
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> > > > > > Note the complete lack of detail on border security
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> > > > > Obama:
> > > > > "He sup****ts additional personnel, infrastructure and technology
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> > > > > the border and at our ****ts of entry. Obama believes we need
> > > > > additional Customs and Border Protection agents equipped with
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> > > > > technology and real-time intelligence."
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> > > > No mention of a fence?
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> > > Fences are stupid ideas, 2pid. I'd rather see more boots on the
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> > =A02 guys with ATVs can effectively police lots of fence. =A0 Then can
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> No, two guys can look at lots of fence. If they see something two guys
> can't do ****.
Think we might give 'em some radio and have some backup ready?
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> I'm sure that's what you meant.
You aren't sure where your head it.
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> > > Fences, like ladders and shovels, are low-tech.
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> > =A0and effective. =A0 They do need to be manned, but the manpower
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> > to police an open border is orders of magnitude greater.
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> Nobody said "open border".
How do you plan to secure it? A man every 50'?
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> > > Obstacles have to be
> > > reinforced with things like minefields to be even slightly
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> > =A0Obstacles have to be patrolled. =A0Every institution I know of that
> > tries to keep people in or out employs obstacles.
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> In small, defined areas like prisons, sure. You're talking a couple of
> thousand miles here.
It's still more efficient than by manpower alone.
Large stretches of fence can be patrolled by air.
You can't secure the border by air.
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> > > Fences are feel-good solutions for morons.
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> > > > McCain has repeatedly said he will complete the fence, secure the
> > > > border, and have border states governors certify the result.
> > > > Sadly, that means idiot Arnold will have to ask his wife what she
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> > > As I said, feel-good solutions.
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> > =A0You don't put a fence out there and walk away.
> > =A0It in combination with patrols are required.
> > =A0Failure to do both will be ineffective.
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> Douglas Massey, a professor of sociology at Princeton University who
> studies the border and illegal immigration, said the government should
> spend its money differently.
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> "It's a waste of money," he said. "If you want to increase security,
> better to use some of that money for ****ts and trans****tation systems.
> If you want to lower the rate of Mexican immigration to the U.S., I
> would spend it on development assistance for Mexico."
A million opinions. I agree that ultimately we have to eliminate
the lure of jobs as well as securing the border.
ScottW
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