On May 15, 11:22=A0am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
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> On May 15, 12:12=A0pm, ScottW <Scott...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On May 15, 8:27=A0am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
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> > <artygu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On May 14, 2:39=A0pm, ScottW <Scott...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > >http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/ImmigrationFactSheet.pdf
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> > > > Note the complete lack of detail on border security
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> > > Obama:
> > > "He sup****ts additional personnel, infrastructure and technology on
> > > the border and at our ****ts of entry. Obama believes we need
> > > additional Customs and Border Protection agents equipped with better
> > > technology and real-time intelligence."
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> > No mention of a fence?
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> Fences are stupid ideas, 2pid. I'd rather see more boots on the ground
> and more high-tech solutions.
2 guys with ATVs can effectively police lots of fence. Then can do
**** on an open border.
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> Fences, like ladders and shovels, are low-tech.
and effective. They do need to be manned, but the manpower required
to police an open border is orders of magnitude greater.
> Obstacles have to be
> reinforced with things like minefields to be even slightly successful.
Obstacles have to be patrolled. Every institution I know of that
tries to keep people in or out employs obstacles.
> Fences are feel-good solutions for morons.
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> > McCain has repeatedly said he will complete the fence, secure the
> > border, and have border states governors certify the result.
> > Sadly, that means idiot Arnold will have to ask his wife what she
> > thinks.
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> As I said, feel-good solutions.
You don't put a fence out there and walk away.
It in combination with patrols are required.
Failure to do both will be ineffective.
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> > But I agree, this is pathetic policy definition upon which the
> > American people must base their decision.
> > Bring back Tancredo!
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> So let's not rip on one candidate without at least mentioning the
> other.
> Obama's position outlined on his site is *far* more detailed
> than McCain's.
If Obama doesn't build the fence he'll have to put an army on the
border.
Even Armies put up obstacles when they want to secure a position.
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> > > McCain:
> > > "As president, I will secure the border."
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>http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/68db8157-d301-4e22-baf7-a7..=
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> > > Now *there's* some detail!
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> > > > while the emphasis on anchor babies
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> > > Part of the US Constitution
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> > > > and keeping families intact
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> > > Aren't you a "family values" guy, 2pid? Are your fellow
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> > > aware that you are for breaking up families?
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> > =A0I sup****t giving illegal immigrants in this country a path to a
> > tem****ary legal status. =A0I don't think any illegal entry should
> > provide a path to bringing the family along. If the illegal immigrant
> > wants to unify his family left behind, go back.
> > But before any of this policy can be addressed we need the border
> > locked down.
> > BTW, we no have about a boat a week showing up abondoned on San Diego
> > shores.
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> The coast is a natural fence.
Boats don't over fences.
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> It, like boats, is low-tech. ;-)
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> > > > and reducing fees is quite a bit (though still not adequately)
> > > > detailed.
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> > > Compared to McCain's detailed "plan", illustrated above?
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> > > > He also claims he wants to crack down on employers but also wants
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> > > > discontinue raids.
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> > > I don't see that on the website you've cited. Where does it say
that?
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> >http://www.barackobama.com/issues/immigration/#remove-incentives
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> I see nothing on "He also claims he wants to crack down on employers
> but also wants to discontinue raids."
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/immigration/
Immigration raids are ineffective: Despite a sevenfold increase in
recent years, immigration raids only netted 3,600 arrests in 2006 and
have placed all the burdens of a broken system onto immigrant
families.
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> > Improve Our Immigration System
> > Obama believes we must fix the dysfunctional immigration bureaucracy
> > and increase the number of legal immigrants to keep families together
> > and meet the demand for jobs that employers cannot fill.
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> > Remove Incentives to Enter Illegally
> > Obama will remove incentives to enter the country illegally by
> > cracking down on employers who hire undocumented immigrants.
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> > Bring People Out of the Shadows
> > Obama sup****ts a system that allows undocumented immigrants who are in
> > good standing to pay a fine, learn English, and go to the back of the
> > line for the op****tunity to become citizens.
> > =A0(the back of the line doesn't start inside the borders of the US)
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> > Can you reconcile these obviously conflicted statements?
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> What conflict?
How do you crack down on employers AND bring people out of the
shadows
at the same time?
ScottW
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