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Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?

by "GeoSynch" <SpamSlayed@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 7, 2008 at 10:09 PM

John Atkinson wrote:

> [I]t is clearly understood that review samples remain the manufacturer's
> property.

While true, this is quite a disingenuous statement, John, as it blithely
overlooks the value of the component in the reviewer's possession
beyond the review period. For example, let's say a Boulder amp
that costs $30,000 and took two months from the time the reviewer
received and submitted the article for it for publication deadline,
but held onto the amp for another four months for a possible
"followup" clarification (which in all likelihood would never
materialize). The reviewer is, in essence, enjoying the value
of that four months for free. We can easily quantify this value.
Let's say the resale value of the Boulder amp after six months
is $24,000. We could look at it as being a lease at $1,000 per
month and the value of the four months of free usage is $4,000.
This is payola pure and simple. The manufacturer, of course,
sees it as the cost of favorable publicity and is more than happy
to accommodate. After six months, it's onto a Lamm or ARC or
somesuch for the reviewer. Of course, this accommodation, to
some extent, influences the reviewer's review of the component.
To argue otherwise is just not credible. This is the reason I
never trusted Jonathon Scull's over-the-top reviews of all the
expensive components he got his greedy little mitts on.


GeoSynch
 




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Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
Jenn <jennconductsREMO  2008-05-05 16:11:55 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
MiNe 109 <smcelroy2@  2008-05-05 18:31:25 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-05 16:33:00 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
George M. Middius <cmn  2008-05-05 19:35:01 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
AZ Nomad <aznomad.3@[E  2008-05-05 18:51:41 
Tice clock
"Soundhaspriority&qu  2008-05-05 21:47:30 
Re: Tice clock
AZ Nomad <aznomad.3@[E  2008-05-07 01:44:55 
Re: Tice clock
AZ Nomad <aznomad.3@[E  2008-05-07 01:48:51 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-05-05 19:52:09 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
Jenn <jennconductsREMO  2008-05-05 16:56:02 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
George M. Middius <cmn  2008-05-05 20:05:28 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Soundhaspriority&qu  2008-05-05 22:35:21 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-05-06 07:28:09 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
George M. Middius <cmn  2008-05-06 08:58:05 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
Jenn <jennconductsREMO  2008-05-06 07:16:12 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-05-06 12:52:02 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
George M. Middius <cmn  2008-05-06 13:18:59 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
Jenn <jennconductsREMO  2008-05-06 23:11:41 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-05-07 07:23:11 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
Jenn <jennconductsREMO  2008-05-07 07:51:56 
Re: What is an "engineer"?
Clyde Slick <Mr.clydes  2008-05-07 21:06:44 
Re: What is an "engineer"?
George M. Middius <cmn  2008-05-08 01:31:08 
Re: What is an "engineer"?
ScottW <ScottW48@[EMAI  2008-05-08 10:48:24 
Re: What is an "engineer"?
George M. Middius <cmn  2008-05-08 13:57:25 
Re: The Middiot - does he try to look stupid or is it all he kno
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-07 14:27:12 
Re: The Middiot - does he try to look stupid or is it all he kno
Clyde Slick <Mr.clydes  2008-05-07 14:55:44 
Re: What is an "engineer"?
ScottW <ScottW48@[EMAI  2008-05-07 17:05:28 
Re: What is an "engineer"?
George M. Middius <cmn  2008-05-07 21:55:51 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-07 11:49:27 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
John Atkinson <stereoe  2008-05-07 12:31:13 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-05-07 16:16:01 
Arnii Krooborg: Insane or Just Crazy?
George M. Middius <cmn  2008-05-07 16:30:13 
The Middiot - does he try to look stupid or is it all he knows h
"Arny Krueger"   2008-05-07 17:13:31 
Re: Krooger's legendary envy
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-08 18:07:56 
Re: Krooger's legendary envy
George M. Middius <cmn  2008-05-08 21:59:22 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"GeoSynch" <  2008-05-07 22:09:59 
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"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-07 14:24:19 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-05-07 21:21:27 
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Clyde Slick <Mr.clydes  2008-05-07 14:53:29 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
ScottW <ScottW48@[EMAI  2008-05-07 14:56:38 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-08 12:01:37 
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"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-08 12:12:48 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-05-08 15:56:03 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
ScottW <ScottW48@[EMAI  2008-05-08 12:37:22 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-08 13:17:21 
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"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-08 13:20:49 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-05-08 16:24:23 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-09 15:07:38 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
George M. Middius <cmn  2008-05-09 18:22:25 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-08 13:48:28 
Krooger's legendary envy
George M. Middius <cmn  2008-05-08 17:39:29 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-05-08 17:51:14 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
George M. Middius <cmn  2008-05-08 18:16:51 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-09 16:20:38 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
George M. Middius <cmn  2008-05-09 19:52:29 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-08 16:04:55 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-05-09 07:44:12 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"TT" <TTence  2008-05-09 20:07:10 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-09 18:29:29 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-09 10:34:43 
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"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-09 10:42:25 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-09 11:55:37 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
ScottW <ScottW48@[EMAI  2008-05-09 13:50:51 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
George M. Middius <cmn  2008-05-09 17:47:27 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"TT" <TTence  2008-05-10 07:45:33 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
George M. Middius <cmn  2008-05-09 19:53:13 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"TT" <TTence  2008-05-10 11:01:56 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-09 15:06:33 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
ScottW <ScottW48@[EMAI  2008-05-09 16:21:39 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-09 18:33:26 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
ScottW <ScottW48@[EMAI  2008-05-10 09:16:25 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-10 12:14:09 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
ScottW <ScottW48@[EMAI  2008-05-10 12:32:15 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-10 13:01:39 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
Clyde Slick <Mr.clydes  2008-05-10 16:05:53 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-10 19:00:52 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
ScottW <ScottW48@[EMAI  2008-05-10 21:11:25 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-10 22:45:28 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
ScottW <ScottW48@[EMAI  2008-05-07 15:03:17 
What is an "engineer"?
George M. Middius <cmn  2008-05-07 19:25:13 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Harry Lavo" &l  2008-05-06 13:47:34 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-05-06 15:21:53 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
AZ Nomad <aznomad.3@[E  2008-05-06 14:24:19 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-05-06 15:29:47 
Krooger kan't help himself
George M. Middius <cmn  2008-05-06 15:38:54 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"TT" <TTence  2008-05-06 08:34:17 
How to read Stereophile
"Soundhaspriority&qu  2008-05-05 20:55:33 
Re: How to read Stereophile
"Soundhaspriority&qu  2008-05-05 21:50:46 
Re: How to read Stereophile
"TT" <TTence  2008-05-06 09:54:53 
Re: How to read Stereophile
"Soundhaspriority&qu  2008-05-05 22:15:59 
Re: How to read Stereophile
"TT" <TTence  2008-05-06 13:37:00 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
Clyde Slick <Mr.clydes  2008-05-05 18:33:46 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
Clyde Slick <Mr.clydes  2008-05-05 18:36:10 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"BretLudwig" &l  2008-05-05 20:09:24 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
Clyde Slick <Mr.clydes  2008-05-05 18:39:01 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Soundhaspriority&qu  2008-05-05 21:48:11 
Re: Tice clock
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-05 19:03:46 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-05 19:05:11 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-05-06 07:31:54 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"BretLudwig" &l  2008-05-05 20:46:58 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
Signal <signal@[EMAIL   2008-05-06 13:12:09 
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AZ Nomad <aznomad.3@[E  2008-05-06 12:48:08 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
Clyde Slick <Mr.clydes  2008-05-06 05:23:53 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-06 05:48:38 
Re: Tice clock
John Atkinson <stereoe  2008-05-06 11:23:31 
Re: Tice clock
"Arny Krueger"   2008-05-06 15:17:20 
Re: Tice clock
Jenn <jennconductsREMO  2008-05-06 23:17:29 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
ScottW <ScottW48@[EMAI  2008-05-06 11:37:12 
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"TT" <TTence  2008-05-07 06:50:28 
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"JBorg, Jr." &l  2008-05-06 23:02:00 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
Clyde Slick <Mr.clydes  2008-05-06 12:21:33 
Re: Krooger kan't help himself
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-06 16:06:53 
Re: Krooger kan't help himself
"Arny Krueger"   2008-05-07 07:27:58 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
Clyde Slick <Mr.clydes  2008-05-07 05:11:45 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
Jenn <jennconductsREMO  2008-05-07 07:38:28 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
George M. Middius <cmn  2008-05-07 11:12:02 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
Clyde Slick <Mr.clydes  2008-05-07 05:15:33 
Re: Tice clock
John Atkinson <stereoe  2008-05-07 07:49:06 
Re: Tice clock
"yellowmattercustard  2008-05-07 13:17:56 
Re: Tice clock
George M. Middius <cmn  2008-05-07 13:38:25 
Re: Tice clock
yellowmattercustard <y  2008-05-07 19:49:26 
Re: Tice clock
George M. Middius <cmn  2008-05-07 19:55:20 
Re: Tice clock
AZ Nomad <aznomad.3@[E  2008-05-07 21:24:06 
Re: Tice clock
yellowmattercustard <y  2008-05-07 23:14:59 
Re: Tice clock
AZ Nomad <aznomad.3@[E  2008-05-07 22:27:37 
Re: Tice clock
George M. Middius <cmn  2008-05-07 23:50:10 
Re: Tice clock
"yellowmattercustard  2008-05-08 09:39:58 
Re: Tice clock
AZ Nomad <aznomad.3@[E  2008-05-07 21:23:38 
Re: Tice clock
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-05-07 22:41:49 
Re: Tice clock
"Arny Krueger"   2008-05-07 21:08:42 
Re: Tice clock
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-05-08 02:44:15 
Another Kroo-down looming?
George M. Middius <cmn  2008-05-07 21:50:54 
Re: Tice clock
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-05-07 16:58:07 
Re: Krooger kan't help himself
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-07 09:09:53 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-07 09:12:01 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
ScottW <ScottW48@[EMAI  2008-05-07 10:23:29 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
MiNe 109 <smcelroy2@  2008-05-07 15:00:09 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"JBorg, Jr." &l  2008-05-08 18:59:14 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"JBorg, Jr." &l  2008-05-08 19:03:48 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"JBorg, Jr." &l  2008-05-09 23:56:12 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
ScottW <ScottW48@[EMAI  2008-05-07 10:27:11 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-05-07 13:46:32 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
ScottW <ScottW48@[EMAI  2008-05-07 10:33:14 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-05-07 13:45:20 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
Jenn <jennconductsREMO  2008-05-07 11:18:30 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
George M. Middius <cmn  2008-05-07 14:48:44 
Re: What is an "engineer"?
ScottW <ScottW48@[EMAI  2008-05-08 12:51:18 
Re: What is an "engineer"?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-08 13:21:40 
Re: What is an "engineer"?
George M. Middius <cmn  2008-05-08 16:40:54 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-07 11:01:58 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
George M. Middius <cmn  2008-05-07 14:44:59 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-07 11:07:45 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"TT" <TTence  2008-05-08 12:24:12 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-07 11:12:48 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"JBorg, Jr." &l  2008-05-08 19:07:38 
Re: Tice clock
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-07 11:15:13 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-07 11:45:37 
Re: Tice clock
John Atkinson <stereoe  2008-05-07 12:43:20 
Re: Tice clock
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-07 14:27:58 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
Clyde Slick <Mr.clydes  2008-05-07 14:51:50 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
ScottW <ScottW48@[EMAI  2008-05-07 15:00:13 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
Jenn <jennconductsREMO  2008-05-07 16:47:42 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
ScottW <ScottW48@[EMAI  2008-05-07 15:01:15 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
ScottW <ScottW48@[EMAI  2008-05-07 16:48:57 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
ScottW <ScottW48@[EMAI  2008-05-07 16:57:23 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
Clyde Slick <Mr.clydes  2008-05-07 21:00:54 
Re: Tice clock
Clyde Slick <Mr.clydes  2008-05-07 21:03:49 
Re: Tice clock
Clyde Slick <Mr.clydes  2008-05-07 21:05:02 
Re: Tice clock
Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-05-08 14:29:57 
Re: Tice clock
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-08 10:38:38 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-08 12:15:05 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-08 12:15:35 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-08 12:41:25 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-08 13:13:02 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-08 19:57:55 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
ScottW <ScottW48@[EMAI  2008-05-10 09:47:38 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
Jenn <jennconductsREMO  2008-05-10 10:13:25 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
ScottW <ScottW48@[EMAI  2008-05-10 09:48:50 
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ScottW <ScottW48@[EMAI  2008-05-10 09:50:10 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
ScottW <ScottW48@[EMAI  2008-05-10 10:32:25 
Re: Does ANY audio mag use DBT?
"Shhhh! I'm Listenin  2008-05-10 13:04:34 

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