Re: Digital to Analog downloading Question ?

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:55:50 -0700, Peter Wieck wrote
(in article <fu3bpm02um8@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):

> On Apr 14, 9:49 pm, eseedho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> 
>> In fact we can do it intentionally and we know how to do it.  AR did
>> it reliably back in the 1960's for gosh sakes!
> 
> Truly, I was waiting for this!
> 
> OK, AR did do this. On more than a very few occasions. Typically they
> used a string quartet playing music typical of the species.
> *Relatively* limited and of similar timbre, but not of frequency.
> 
> And a few more things:
> 
> a) They practiced the transitions very carefully to make them as
> perceptibly seamless as possible.
> b) They carefully chose the transitional passages to favor the
> midrange of the speakers so that subsequent highs and lows would be of-
> a-piece vs. in-the-middle-of.
> c) They kept it to fairly small venues of very conventional design
> with a very small central and surrounded stage. This favored the
> directional nature of cone speakers.
> 
> And, with all that in mind, they most certainly did fool their
> audiences to well within the margin of error for randomness. Further,
> they did it with their standard available-for-sale-just-like-this
> speaker line, and very late in the game even used their own AR
> amplifier for the test. By todays standards a pretty crude beast -
> although I like them very much and keep several of them (and their
> receivers).
> 
> But, in a typical residential situation, even in a dedicated listening
> room, the sort of artificial environment created by AR for their tests
> simply does not happen. And it is *EXTREMELY* unlikely that if AR had
> chosen even a very small chamber orchestra with say... a harpsichord
> or kettle drums or similar that they would have brought it off as
> well.
> 
> Now, I would posit that with my back turned and no context, based on
> many sorts of signal, my Maggies might fool me into believing
> something "live" was back there under some conditions. The ringing
> phone, a cat meow or dog bark  (we have both), even a door opening or
> closing - sounds without context. That is a good start anyway.
> 
> Peter Wieck
> Melrose Park, PA

I used to go to their showroom on Broadway often when I was in NY. They 
rarely fooled me. I could almost always tell when they changed and which I

was listening to.. Of course I was 17 years old then and listened to a lot
of 
live music (I still do the latter, but alas, I'm no longer 17).