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Re: Cables again. For Arny, et al.

by JamesGangNC@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mar 3, 2008 at 11:24 PM

On Mar 2, 10:22 am, nebulax <nebu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Feb 20, 7:32 pm, Steven Sullivan <ssu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > nebulax <nebu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > I think it's been repeatedly proven that sonic differences CAN be
> > > engineered
> > > into cables, and the specialist cable makers have been doing that
very
> > > thing
> > > for years. What irks me about the whole business is that the most
> > > 'neutral'
> > > sounding cables are the most expensive!
>
> > What on earth makes you think that? Or are you using the word
> > 'neutral' sarcastically?
>
> No, not being sarcastic. For example, Cardas has an interconnect they
> call Neutral Reference, which goes for around $525 a meter, whereas
> their entry level Crosslink cable goes for $105 a meter. What
> determines which cable is more 'neutral'? Well, I guess that's hard to
> say, because you would have to have at least one cable as a reference.
> I don't know what a neutral cable would sound like (hopefully like
> nothing), but I have heard some rather un-neutral cables, and they can
> do weird stuff to the signal.
>
> In my experience, the cheaper cables get the more 'colorful' sound.
> Some of the weirdest sounding interconnects I've ever heard were entry
> level Monster cables (Interlink 400, I think), that were bloated on
> the low-end, artificial in the mids, and rolled off on the high freqs.
> I can only assume they did this 'engineering' on purpose for those
> consumers who really want to hear something different in their system.
> Granted, as bad as some audio gear sounds (80's vintage cd players,
> anybody?), that sort of coloration could be a blessing!
>
> -Neb

Wire only has three characteristics that apply here; resistance,
inductance, and capacitance.  Resistance is frequency neutral for the
purposes of any frequency in this discussion.  Both of the other two
directly relate to frequency.  The higher the frequency the more it
will be affected by inductance and capacitance in the cable.  Trouble
is that with straight pieces of wire you've got to get into some
pretty high frequencies before either of the tiny amount of
capacitance and inductance involved will have an effect.  That you
suggest that straight pieces of wire can somehow "enhance" low
frequency characteristics just shows how out of touch you are with
basic physics.
 




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Cables again. For Arny, et al.
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-15 00:38:05 
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Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-02-15 23:35:39 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-16 03:21:43 
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Greg Wormald <greg.wor  2008-02-15 23:39:01 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-16 03:23:00 
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Greg Wormald <greg.wor  2008-02-16 15:51:46 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-16 20:16:02 
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Rockinghorse Winner <r  2008-02-19 00:08:21 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-02-16 15:48:21 
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dpierce.cartchunk.org@[EM  2008-02-16 23:59:48 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-17 15:23:45 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-18 23:58:12 
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Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-02-20 02:21:26 
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Greg Wormald <greg.wor  2008-02-21 00:26:06 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-21 23:06:30 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-21 00:27:58 
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bob <nabob33@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-21 23:03:31 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-02-22 23:50:50 
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Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-02-21 23:04:33 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-22 23:43:58 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-23 02:11:52 
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Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-02-21 23:05:47 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-02-22 23:51:32 
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jamesgangnc <jamesgang  2008-02-29 03:04:07 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-29 23:56:12 
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"Norman M. Schwartz&  2008-02-15 23:39:32 
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"jeffc" <jef  2008-02-17 18:01:08 
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"Norman M. Schwartz&  2008-02-18 23:59:07 
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wrct@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-15 23:57:11 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-16 03:23:33 
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dpierce.cartchunk.org@[EM  2008-02-16 00:01:02 
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Rockinghorse Winner <r  2008-02-19 00:07:41 
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bob <nabob33@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-16 18:02:27 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-16 20:17:24 
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guido.neitzer@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-17 00:02:56 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-17 15:25:52 
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guido.neitzer@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-17 19:14:20 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-17 22:41:40 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-18 23:51:52 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-20 02:18:19 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-21 00:28:38 
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bob <nabob33@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-16 23:58:27 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-17 15:25:04 
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bob <nabob33@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-17 19:15:19 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-17 22:41:13 
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bob <nabob33@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-18 23:49:49 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-20 02:17:45 
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dpierce.cartchunk.org@[EM  2008-02-20 02:15:35 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-21 00:27:22 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-21 23:07:26 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-22 23:46:31 
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"jeffc" <jef  2008-02-17 17:59:09 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-17 22:42:05 
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nebulax <nebulax@[EMAI  2008-02-20 02:26:18 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-02-21 00:32:28 
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nebulax <nebulax@[EMAI  2008-03-02 15:22:36 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-03-03 23:20:52 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-03 23:28:30 
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JamesGangNC@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-03 23:24:58 
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jwvm <jwvm@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-05 01:07:00 
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nebulax <nebulax@[EMAI  2008-03-05 01:11:41 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-03-06 02:53:34 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-06 02:55:48 
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nebulax <nebulax@[EMAI  2008-03-06 22:10:02 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-08 00:46:22 
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nebulax <nebulax@[EMAI  2008-03-06 22:10:34 
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nebulax <nebulax@[EMAI  2008-03-06 22:12:05 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-08 00:46:45 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-03-08 15:48:24 
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jwvm <jwvm@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-08 00:45:38 
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jwvm <jwvm@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-08 00:45:57 
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nebulax <nebulax@[EMAI  2008-03-08 15:49:50 
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"Serge Auckland"  2008-03-09 05:11:45 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-10 04:48:20 
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jwvm <jwvm@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-09 05:12:41 
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eseedhouse@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-02-17 19:17:16 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-18 23:59:42 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-20 02:18:50 

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