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Re: Cables again. For Arny, et al.

by Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 21, 2008 at 11:04 PM

On Feb 20, 7:27 pm, "Arny Krueger" <ar...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> "Peter Wieck" <p...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>
> news:fpg2r60221b@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> > f) I would posit that most hearing-individuals here could
> > distinguish the difference between very badly made "patch
> > cords" with construction and design flaws and the
> > very-bestest-most-expensive-oxygen-free-
> > silver-patch-cords-rolled-on-the-thighs-of-virgins-by-the-first-full-
> > moon-after-Walpurgis-Night.
>
> Then you've never actually tried the relevant experiment with enough
> experimental controls to obtain a reliable result.
>
> Patch cables are so non-critical in terms of their mission, that barbed
wire
> slipped through wet noodles (for insulation) would perform identically
to
> sliver/teflon ones. So would 3/8" rusty steel rebar separated with wet,
> wooden clothespins.
>
> Not only would there be no audible difference, but it would be
challenging
> to find a measurable difference.

Mpffff.... Not quite. I have been in massively RF-rich environments
that patch cords such as you describe would be rectifying all over the
place. I spent three years as an on-site project architect at the UofP
hospital back in the day - and trust me, crappy patch cords (and
crappy components) picked up no end of garbage. Long hours and my own
office accorded me the privilege of setting up a system on-site.

So, I state with direct experience that well-made "cables" do make a
direct, discernable, measurable, observable, audible difference. After
that, we are at the margins. And that - to me - remains unproven.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA
 




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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-15 00:38:05 
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Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-02-15 23:35:39 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-16 03:21:43 
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Greg Wormald <greg.wor  2008-02-15 23:39:01 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-16 03:23:00 
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Greg Wormald <greg.wor  2008-02-16 15:51:46 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-16 20:16:02 
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Rockinghorse Winner <r  2008-02-19 00:08:21 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-02-16 15:48:21 
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dpierce.cartchunk.org@[EM  2008-02-16 23:59:48 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-17 15:23:45 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-18 23:58:12 
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Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-02-20 02:21:26 
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Greg Wormald <greg.wor  2008-02-21 00:26:06 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-21 23:06:30 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-21 00:27:58 
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bob <nabob33@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-21 23:03:31 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-02-22 23:50:50 
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Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-02-21 23:04:33 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-22 23:43:58 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-23 02:11:52 
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Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-02-21 23:05:47 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-02-22 23:51:32 
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jamesgangnc <jamesgang  2008-02-29 03:04:07 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-29 23:56:12 
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"Norman M. Schwartz&  2008-02-15 23:39:32 
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"jeffc" <jef  2008-02-17 18:01:08 
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"Norman M. Schwartz&  2008-02-18 23:59:07 
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wrct@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-15 23:57:11 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-16 03:23:33 
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dpierce.cartchunk.org@[EM  2008-02-16 00:01:02 
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Rockinghorse Winner <r  2008-02-19 00:07:41 
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bob <nabob33@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-16 18:02:27 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-16 20:17:24 
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guido.neitzer@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-17 00:02:56 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-17 15:25:52 
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guido.neitzer@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-17 19:14:20 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-17 22:41:40 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-18 23:51:52 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-20 02:18:19 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-21 00:28:38 
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bob <nabob33@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-16 23:58:27 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-17 15:25:04 
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bob <nabob33@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-17 19:15:19 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-17 22:41:13 
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bob <nabob33@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-18 23:49:49 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-20 02:17:45 
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dpierce.cartchunk.org@[EM  2008-02-20 02:15:35 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-21 00:27:22 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-21 23:07:26 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-22 23:46:31 
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"jeffc" <jef  2008-02-17 17:59:09 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-17 22:42:05 
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nebulax <nebulax@[EMAI  2008-02-20 02:26:18 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-02-21 00:32:28 
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nebulax <nebulax@[EMAI  2008-03-02 15:22:36 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-03-03 23:20:52 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-03 23:28:30 
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JamesGangNC@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-03 23:24:58 
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jwvm <jwvm@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-05 01:07:00 
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nebulax <nebulax@[EMAI  2008-03-05 01:11:41 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-03-06 02:53:34 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-06 02:55:48 
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nebulax <nebulax@[EMAI  2008-03-06 22:10:02 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-08 00:46:22 
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nebulax <nebulax@[EMAI  2008-03-06 22:10:34 
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nebulax <nebulax@[EMAI  2008-03-06 22:12:05 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-08 00:46:45 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-03-08 15:48:24 
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jwvm <jwvm@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-08 00:45:38 
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jwvm <jwvm@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-08 00:45:57 
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nebulax <nebulax@[EMAI  2008-03-08 15:49:50 
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"Serge Auckland"  2008-03-09 05:11:45 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-10 04:48:20 
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jwvm <jwvm@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-09 05:12:41 
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eseedhouse@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-02-17 19:17:16 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-18 23:59:42 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-20 02:18:50 

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