Re: Cables again. For Arny, et al.

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:51:46 -0800, Greg Wormald wrote
(in article <fp70qi0rq5@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):

> In article <fp5kuk01ne1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>  Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> 
>> Well, The thing is that conductors follow some very fundamental rules
of 
>> signal carrying and they all relate to bandwidth and the source and 
>> destination impedances of the equipment at each end of the signal
carrying 
>> cable. 
> 
> You see, this is where we part company. So everything that follows is 
> impossible for me to accept. If you accept the above statement then we 
> cannot discuss further.

OK.

> You seem to be making the assumption that all rules regarding the 
> reproduction of music via conductors has been discovered and fully 
> explained.

Some time ago, in fact and It's not an assumption. The wire doesn't care
what 
kind of intelligence it's carrying; music, mutiplexed telephone 
conversations, video, MRI imaging, radar returns, computer imaging,
whatever. 
All that wire does is move electrons. These electrons have known 
characteristics at different frequencies. Different frequencies respond to

such parameters as inherent induction and capacitance and resistance per
foot 
in a fully understood and predictable way. These characteristics interact 
with the impedances of the source and destination circuitry at each end of

the conductor to form either parallel or series resonant circuits (at some

frequency). If the nature of these things weren't well understood we
wouldn't 
be able to design oscillators, analog filters, crossover networks, etc.
That 
we can do this so successfully and that the results are always what the
math 
predicts tells us that we are dealing with known engineering principles.
That 
there is some voodoo parameter or parameters about wire that we do not
know 
which affects only wires carrying music, is highly unlikely. Because if
there 
were, engineers would have noticed anomalies in much more complex and 
critical signals that would have to be investigated and this would have 
happened long ago. I'm not saying that it's impossible that there is 
something about wire that we don't know, but I am saying that it is highly

unlikely.

> I DO NOT BELIEVE that. 

Well, in all honesty, there are people who believe that world is only 6000

years old too. But the preponderance of scientific evidence points to that

being wrong by several orders of magnitude. When what one believes is
counter 
to known facts, one should either reexamine one's beliefs or be prepared
to 
go on a crusade to find the evidence for ones beliefs to change accepted 
wisdom. 

> My reading in the progress of physics tells me  that your statement is 
unlikely 
> to be true except in the most general way.

Like I said. Wire is used for much more complex waveforms and at much
higher 
frequencies than just music. Any anomalies that might result from the
wire's 
inherent AC and DC electrical characteristics would have likely shown up
in 
these applications long ago.