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Re: setting up ABX tests at home

by "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 16, 2008 at 03:24 AM

"bear" <bearlabs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:fp582c01a2c@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Put it another way, IF the distortions present are of a
> particular type or class then you can put anything you
> like into the signal chain of lower or nil distortion and
> most likely not be able to identify any change. Since you
> have no way to determine the significance or type/class
> of distortions in your system, you don't know anything
> about the results of an ABX test other than the results
> being SPECIFIC to the test you performed.

This problem exists for any listening test. The only reason why it is more
apparent in DBTs is that DBTs clearly detect listeners who can't reliably
detect differences for whatever reason.

We've got yet another case where someone is specifically complaining about

ABX tests when in fact the problem exists for *any* listening test.  The 
reason why people don't notice this problem with sighted evalautions is
the 
fact that sighted evaluations have no means for addressing the problem of 
false positives.
 




 50 Posts in Topic:
setting up ABX tests at home
Steve <goldstarsteve@[  2008-02-06 16:19:17 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-06 17:33:02 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Steve <goldstarsteve@[  2008-02-07 15:53:44 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-07 17:29:13 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-09 18:16:05 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Greg Wormald <greg.wor  2008-02-10 03:43:25 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-10 15:53:33 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-10 18:38:29 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-12 00:17:48 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-13 03:52:23 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-12 00:17:08 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-13 03:53:59 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-14 00:33:19 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-15 00:30:52 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-15 23:43:08 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-16 03:24:21 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-17 15:30:51 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-18 23:53:27 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home - ITU controls?
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-23 02:11:15 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home - ITU controls?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-23 15:31:27 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home - ITU controls?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-02-23 17:58:45 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home - ITU controls?
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-23 19:54:53 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home - ITU controls?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-02-23 22:04:33 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-02-16 15:46:34 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-16 15:50:02 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-17 15:32:01 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-17 19:13:16 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-23 02:10:52 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-13 04:21:48 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-15 23:46:29 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-16 03:29:02 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-17 15:29:21 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-16 15:50:31 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-17 15:29:55 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-17 19:13:49 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-18 23:55:53 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-02-13 04:27:13 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-10 18:39:10 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-02-13 04:26:31 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-14 00:30:43 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-15 00:36:45 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-15 23:37:54 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Greg Wormald <greg.wor  2008-02-14 00:38:15 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bob <nabob33@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-10 18:36:30 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bob <nabob33@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-13 03:55:09 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-15 23:43:42 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bob <nabob33@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-16 03:25:01 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Steve <goldstarsteve@[  2008-02-19 00:10:04 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"josko" <bra  2008-02-20 02:25:48 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Norman M. Schwartz&  2008-02-21 00:31:55 

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