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Re: Cables again. For Arny, et al.

by dpierce.cartchunk.org@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Feb 16, 2008 at 12:01 AM

On Feb 14, 7:38 pm, Sonnova <sonn...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> How can this be that Wayne Garcia, not knowing that anything
> had changed (ostensibly), immediately noticed that something
> had changed for the better in the second set of releases and
> found it significant enough to mention it to Blue Note? Does this
> mean that interconnects can and do make an audible difference
> (something that my electronic engineering degree makes it hard
> for me to believe).

There are plenty of plausible explanations for a real audible
difference. Let me offer one based on my own experience in
the field.

The audio industry in general, and the high-end and pro audio
industry in particular, are extremely bad at conducting controlled,
single-value experiments. I might even posit that the industry
is grossly incompetent at it.

We have absolutely no assurances that the ONLY thing
changed was the cabling. It fact, it is likely the the alledged
changes in cabling is the LEAST significant of the changes
made. We don't know what other changes occurred between
the two sets. I would, in fact, challenge the producers to
demonstrate and prove the assertion that the cabling was
the big difference, and, again from my past experiences,
that if I were to bet cold hard money on my assertion, I'd
actually be making  a reasonable low-risk investment.

By "proof," I don't mean someone's personal assurances,
I mean an auditable train of evidence showing that the
cables represent the only difference introduced. Relatively
minor changes in mastering or the final level adjustments
before cutting the glass masters and many other things
could easily make differences in levels that would far exceed
and plausible audible differences due to cabling.

And even at that, it's entirely plausible that simply swapping
out the cables may have actually fixed something that was
wrong, like a loose ground or a missing leg of a balanced
line, something that has NOTHING to do with the cabling
per se.

If the claim is being made that the cables made such
a difference, only a comparison where the ONLY variable
was the change in cables has any validity, the claims of
manufacturers, producers, mavens and others
notwithstanding.
 




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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-15 00:38:05 
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Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-02-15 23:35:39 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-16 03:21:43 
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Greg Wormald <greg.wor  2008-02-15 23:39:01 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-16 03:23:00 
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Greg Wormald <greg.wor  2008-02-16 15:51:46 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-16 20:16:02 
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Rockinghorse Winner <r  2008-02-19 00:08:21 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-02-16 15:48:21 
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dpierce.cartchunk.org@[EM  2008-02-16 23:59:48 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-17 15:23:45 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-18 23:58:12 
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Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-02-20 02:21:26 
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Greg Wormald <greg.wor  2008-02-21 00:26:06 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-21 23:06:30 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-21 00:27:58 
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bob <nabob33@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-21 23:03:31 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-02-22 23:50:50 
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Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-02-21 23:04:33 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-22 23:43:58 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-23 02:11:52 
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Peter Wieck <pfjw@[EMA  2008-02-21 23:05:47 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-02-22 23:51:32 
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jamesgangnc <jamesgang  2008-02-29 03:04:07 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-29 23:56:12 
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"Norman M. Schwartz&  2008-02-15 23:39:32 
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"jeffc" <jef  2008-02-17 18:01:08 
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"Norman M. Schwartz&  2008-02-18 23:59:07 
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wrct@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-15 23:57:11 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-16 03:23:33 
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dpierce.cartchunk.org@[EM  2008-02-16 00:01:02 
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Rockinghorse Winner <r  2008-02-19 00:07:41 
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bob <nabob33@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-16 18:02:27 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-16 20:17:24 
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guido.neitzer@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-17 00:02:56 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-17 15:25:52 
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guido.neitzer@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-17 19:14:20 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-17 22:41:40 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-18 23:51:52 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-20 02:18:19 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-21 00:28:38 
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bob <nabob33@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-16 23:58:27 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-17 15:25:04 
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bob <nabob33@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-17 19:15:19 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-17 22:41:13 
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bob <nabob33@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-18 23:49:49 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-20 02:17:45 
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dpierce.cartchunk.org@[EM  2008-02-20 02:15:35 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-21 00:27:22 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-21 23:07:26 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-22 23:46:31 
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"jeffc" <jef  2008-02-17 17:59:09 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-17 22:42:05 
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nebulax <nebulax@[EMAI  2008-02-20 02:26:18 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-02-21 00:32:28 
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nebulax <nebulax@[EMAI  2008-03-02 15:22:36 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-03-03 23:20:52 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-03 23:28:30 
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JamesGangNC@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-03 23:24:58 
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jwvm <jwvm@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-05 01:07:00 
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nebulax <nebulax@[EMAI  2008-03-05 01:11:41 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-03-06 02:53:34 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-06 02:55:48 
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nebulax <nebulax@[EMAI  2008-03-06 22:10:02 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-08 00:46:22 
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nebulax <nebulax@[EMAI  2008-03-06 22:10:34 
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nebulax <nebulax@[EMAI  2008-03-06 22:12:05 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-08 00:46:45 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-03-08 15:48:24 
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jwvm <jwvm@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-08 00:45:38 
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jwvm <jwvm@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-08 00:45:57 
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nebulax <nebulax@[EMAI  2008-03-08 15:49:50 
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"Serge Auckland"  2008-03-09 05:11:45 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-10 04:48:20 
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jwvm <jwvm@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-09 05:12:41 
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eseedhouse@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-02-17 19:17:16 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-18 23:59:42 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-20 02:18:50 

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