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Re: setting up ABX tests at home

by Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 15, 2008 at 12:30 AM

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:33:19 -0800, Arny Krueger wrote
(in article <fp028f01mvd@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):

> "Sonnova" <sonnova@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:fotpkn02hkg@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>> 
>> Well, ABX/Blind testing can really only tell two things:
>> Is there a difference in the sound between two components
>> (or interconnects or speaker cables)? And if there are
>> differences, what are they?  It cannot tell which is
>> better (assuming that there are differences) as that is a
>> totally subjective call.
> 
> Agreed.
> 
> However, if someone can't reliably detect a difference, how can there 
> reasonably be a preference based on sound quality?  Having a preference 
> presumes the existence of a difference.

Agreed. If someone is an unsophisticated enough of a listener to be unable
to 
discern ANY difference, then he/she likely has no preference, or at least
has 
no preference at THAT level of minutia. 
 
>> Where this type of testing REALLY falls down is where the
>> differences are subtle (which they often are) and the
>> listener doesn't have the trained listening acumen to
>> pick-up on those differences.
> 
> This problem exists for any listening test. The only reason why it is
more 
> apparent in DBTs is that DBTs clearly detect listeners who can't
reliably 
> detect differences for whatever reason.

Agreed. 
 
>> Since there is no way to
>> eliminate or even pre-screen for this particular
>> variable,
> 
> Actually, there are many means for screening out listeners who aren't 
> adequately trained. Describing them all goes beyond the scope of a RAHE 
> post.

Well, I meant that there is no practical way without extensive procedures 
that most people wouldn't be willing to go through - on either end of the 
test.
 




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setting up ABX tests at home
Steve <goldstarsteve@[  2008-02-06 16:19:17 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-06 17:33:02 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Steve <goldstarsteve@[  2008-02-07 15:53:44 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-07 17:29:13 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-09 18:16:05 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Greg Wormald <greg.wor  2008-02-10 03:43:25 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-10 15:53:33 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-10 18:38:29 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-12 00:17:48 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-13 03:52:23 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-12 00:17:08 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-13 03:53:59 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-14 00:33:19 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-15 00:30:52 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-15 23:43:08 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-16 03:24:21 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-17 15:30:51 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-18 23:53:27 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home - ITU controls?
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-23 02:11:15 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home - ITU controls?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-23 15:31:27 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home - ITU controls?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-02-23 17:58:45 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home - ITU controls?
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-23 19:54:53 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home - ITU controls?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-02-23 22:04:33 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-02-16 15:46:34 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-16 15:50:02 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-17 15:32:01 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-17 19:13:16 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-23 02:10:52 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-13 04:21:48 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-15 23:46:29 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-16 03:29:02 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-17 15:29:21 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-16 15:50:31 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-17 15:29:55 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-17 19:13:49 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-18 23:55:53 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-02-13 04:27:13 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-10 18:39:10 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-02-13 04:26:31 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-14 00:30:43 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-15 00:36:45 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-15 23:37:54 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Greg Wormald <greg.wor  2008-02-14 00:38:15 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bob <nabob33@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-10 18:36:30 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bob <nabob33@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-13 03:55:09 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-15 23:43:42 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bob <nabob33@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-16 03:25:01 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Steve <goldstarsteve@[  2008-02-19 00:10:04 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"josko" <bra  2008-02-20 02:25:48 
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