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Re: setting up ABX tests at home

by bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 12, 2008 at 12:17 AM

Sonnova wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:53:33 -0800, Arny Krueger wrote
> (in article <fon6lt01bbe@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):
> 
>> "Greg Wormald" <greg.wormald@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> news:folrst02p34@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
<snip>
> 
> This is correct. At audio frequencies, signal levels, and source
impedances, 
> wire is wire. Now, perhaps at microwave frequencies, the size,
composition 
> and routing of cables makes a difference, but from 20 Hz to 20KHz it
matters 
> not one whit unless you are running extremely long runs (like 30 ft or
more) 
> of coax carrying a line-level signal, then one might experience some
small 
> amount of high-frequency roll-off, but this is not what we're talking
about, 
> here. 
> 
> Try this. Take a 1-meter length of Radio Shack coax, solder some cheap 
> tin-plated RCA plugs on each end and use it for one channel of a run
from, 
> say, your CD player to your amplifier (or preamp) and use a 1-meter
length of 
> Nordost Valhalla (at $4000/meter) or any other "high-priced spread" for
the 
> other channel. I DEFY you to hear any difference whatsoever between the
two 
> channels (all else being equal). Cables are snake oil pure and simple.
There 
> is simply no known characteristics of physics, electronics, or music
that 
> would cause any two interconnects to have any sound whatsoever. My rule
of 
> thumb is to buy cables on build quality for reliability and don't spend 
> another penny above what is necessary to get decent, gas tight
connections at 
> the cable/component interface, and adequate strain relief. 

This is a good example of an invalid test.
Or at least a highly flawed test that is so limiting that the results are 
meaningless - and almost always will conform to the expected results.

The amount of acoustical 'cues' available in a mono signal are
significantly 
lower than from a stereo signal. Put another way, it is much much harder
to hear 
differences in mono sources than with stereo sources (assuming a stereo
set up 
that 'properly images'). Therefore a test with left/right channels is
doomed to 
yield results that don't mean very much about anything.

Stereo is a prerequisite for such tests. Not sufficient, but a
prerequisite.

            _-_-bear




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setting up ABX tests at home
Steve <goldstarsteve@[  2008-02-06 16:19:17 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-06 17:33:02 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Steve <goldstarsteve@[  2008-02-07 15:53:44 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-07 17:29:13 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-09 18:16:05 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Greg Wormald <greg.wor  2008-02-10 03:43:25 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-10 15:53:33 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-10 18:38:29 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-12 00:17:48 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-13 03:52:23 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-12 00:17:08 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-13 03:53:59 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-14 00:33:19 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-15 00:30:52 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-15 23:43:08 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-16 03:24:21 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-17 15:30:51 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-18 23:53:27 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home - ITU controls?
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-23 02:11:15 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home - ITU controls?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-23 15:31:27 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home - ITU controls?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-02-23 17:58:45 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home - ITU controls?
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-23 19:54:53 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home - ITU controls?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-02-23 22:04:33 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-02-16 15:46:34 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-16 15:50:02 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-17 15:32:01 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-17 19:13:16 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-23 02:10:52 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-13 04:21:48 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-15 23:46:29 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-16 03:29:02 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-17 15:29:21 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-16 15:50:31 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-17 15:29:55 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-17 19:13:49 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-18 23:55:53 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-02-13 04:27:13 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-10 18:39:10 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-02-13 04:26:31 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-14 00:30:43 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"Arny Krueger"   2008-02-15 00:36:45 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-02-15 23:37:54 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Greg Wormald <greg.wor  2008-02-14 00:38:15 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bob <nabob33@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-10 18:36:30 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bob <nabob33@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-13 03:55:09 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2008-02-15 23:43:42 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
bob <nabob33@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-16 03:25:01 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
Steve <goldstarsteve@[  2008-02-19 00:10:04 
Re: setting up ABX tests at home
"josko" <bra  2008-02-20 02:25:48 
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