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Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?

by "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jan 7, 2008 at 11:49 PM

"c. leeds" <cleeds@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:flo9vt01le5@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Harry Lavo wrote (about Sullivan's preference to buy
> audio equipment without listening to it first):

>> Except that Steven is very quick to accuse anybody who
>> claims to hear what they think is better sounding
>> electronic gear of fooling themselves.

There's no self-contradiction in what Steven is saying. Since almost all 
reasonable electronic equipment sounds the same, peope are fooling 
themselves if the do some kind of hokey amateur listening test and hear 
differences that aren't inherent in the equipment.

>> It is a very
>> hypocritical position to take, it seems to me, for
>> someone who doesn't even bother to listen, yet claims to
>> know that others can't hear what he doesn't even bother
>> to listen to or for.

There is a problem here - because Steven is not avoiding the bogus
listening 
test because he's lazy, he's avoiding it to avoid misleading himself.

> Quite true, but here's what's sillier: that in a
> "high-end" newsgroup, anyone would be criticized for
> simply preferring to listen to equipment before purchase.

It's not silly to advise people to avoid loading themselves up with false 
evidence.

> Sullivan insists such listening is "error-prone."

IME, he's right.
 




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Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Steve <goldstarsteve@[  2007-12-24 10:32:44 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2007-12-25 16:39:58 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-26 10:57:17 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2007-12-25 10:44:45 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2007-12-26 16:47:46 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-26 10:58:26 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Greg Wormald <greg.wor  2007-12-25 10:47:44 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2007-12-26 16:42:03 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-26 11:00:08 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Arny Krueger"   2007-12-26 17:07:49 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"jeffc" <jef  2007-12-28 16:45:57 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Andrew Barss <barss@[E  2007-12-29 16:39:03 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"ScottW" <Sc  2007-12-29 16:47:23 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-30 16:57:50 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2007-12-31 17:19:12 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-01 16:30:56 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Serge Auckland"  2008-01-01 17:34:54 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-02 05:10:52 
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"c. leeds" <  2008-01-02 23:58:06 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-03 00:44:58 
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"c. leeds" <  2008-01-03 23:39:41 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-04 03:18:59 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"c. leeds" <  2008-01-05 16:05:02 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-03 00:47:10 
audio culture nonsense?
"c. leeds" <  2008-01-03 23:40:47 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-04 03:17:01 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-04 03:20:48 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"c. leeds" <  2008-01-05 16:02:35 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-05 18:50:42 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"c. leeds" <  2008-01-06 18:21:27 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-08 01:15:56 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-06 16:06:31 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-07 23:58:24 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-08 03:03:24 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-09 00:06:33 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-10 01:05:12 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-10 23:50:18 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-09 00:22:20 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-10 01:06:22 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
twinmountain@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-01-05 18:49:24 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-06 16:05:50 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Harry Lavo" &l  2008-01-06 18:22:25 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-07 23:46:59 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-08 01:12:57 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Serge Auckland"  2008-01-09 00:05:15 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-10 01:07:58 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Serge Auckland"  2008-01-11 00:13:02 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-11 23:41:29 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Serge Auckland"  2008-01-12 20:27:06 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-13 15:51:01 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Serge Auckland"  2008-01-14 04:38:20 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Alan Hoyle <alanh@[EMA  2008-01-11 00:14:07 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-09 00:09:59 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-09 00:21:43 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-08 01:05:18 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Harry Lavo" &l  2008-01-09 00:03:53 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-09 03:25:01 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-10 01:32:14 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-10 23:53:10 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-06 16:07:01 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Harry Lavo" &l  2008-01-03 23:27:11 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-04 03:14:01 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-04 23:43:34 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"c. leeds" <  2008-01-05 16:07:25 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-07 23:49:03 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Serge Auckland"  2008-01-03 23:38:31 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-04 03:15:46 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-04 03:21:42 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-04 23:38:14 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Serge Auckland"  2008-01-04 23:48:44 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-05 03:36:44 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-05 15:40:44 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-06 16:08:19 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Serge Auckland"  2008-01-05 15:59:16 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-08 01:06:32 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-03 23:44:26 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-04 23:30:46 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-07 23:50:24 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-08 01:15:13 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-09 00:13:23 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-10 01:17:59 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-09 00:20:46 
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"c. leeds" <  2008-01-05 16:08:27 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-03 00:01:30 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-03 00:00:32 
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jwvm <jwvm@[EMAIL PROT  2007-12-25 10:48:47 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-26 11:01:20 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2007-12-25 10:49:56 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2007-12-26 16:49:33 
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"jeffc" <jef  2007-12-28 16:47:31 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2007-12-29 16:43:11 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-03 23:48:20 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
jwvm <jwvm@[EMAIL PROT  2007-12-27 16:34:49 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-29 16:36:59 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
dpierce.cartchunk.org@[EM  2007-12-27 16:45:41 
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"jeffc" <jef  2007-12-28 16:46:47 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-29 16:36:24 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2007-12-31 17:08:54 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2007-12-27 16:47:04 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
codifus <codifus@[EMAI  2007-12-27 16:47:53 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-29 16:25:40 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2007-12-30 16:52:02 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-31 17:22:07 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2007-12-31 19:04:35 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-03 23:50:20 
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Signal <signal@[EMAIL   2007-12-28 16:38:54 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-03 23:49:15 
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"jeffc" <jef  2007-12-28 16:45:18 
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dpierce.cartchunk.org@[EM  2007-12-28 16:59:42 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-30 16:55:28 
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Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2007-12-29 16:39:32 
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Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2007-12-29 16:40:05 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-03 23:46:15 
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willbill <trek@[EMAIL   2007-12-29 16:40:53 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-30 16:59:23 
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willbill <trek@[EMAIL   2008-01-01 16:18:45 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-01 20:23:32 
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willbill <trek@[EMAIL   2008-01-02 05:02:31 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-02 23:49:22 
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willbill <trek@[EMAIL   2008-01-04 23:49:31 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-08 01:07:36 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-08 03:02:51 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-09 00:14:01 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-10 01:04:07 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-11 00:02:17 
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dpierce.cartchunk.org@[EM  2007-12-30 16:53:03 
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Steve <goldstarsteve@[  2007-12-30 17:05:54 
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"jeffc" <jef  2007-12-31 17:15:42 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
dpierce.cartchunk.org@[EM  2007-12-31 17:14:01 
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dpierce.cartchunk.org@[EM  2007-12-31 17:23:17 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-01 16:07:32 
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"Tynan Agvišr"   2007-12-31 17:25:26 
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Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2008-01-02 23:48:28 
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Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2008-01-05 03:39:17 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-05 15:55:43 
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Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2008-01-06 18:22:58 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-07 23:53:21 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-09 00:14:51 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-10 01:13:54 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-10 01:29:51 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-08 01:07:04 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2008-01-07 23:47:43 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"RobertLang" &l  2008-01-15 23:49:30 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-16 03:18:27 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Jim L'Hommedieu&quo  2008-03-27 22:49:14 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-03-28 20:36:08 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Norman M. Schwartz&  2008-03-29 02:17:33 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Robert Peirce <bob@[EM  2008-03-29 15:08:47 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-03-29 16:02:23 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-30 21:45:22 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-03-29 15:08:34 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"c. leeds" <  2008-03-30 21:44:21 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-03-31 00:39:27 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"c. leeds" <  2008-04-02 22:34:53 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-04-02 23:22:36 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"c. leeds" <  2008-04-03 22:08:55 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-04-04 01:44:58 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Norman M. Schwartz&  2008-04-05 00:45:26 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Dave" <dspe  2008-04-24 01:30:08 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-04-24 23:04:13 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"c. leeds" <  2008-05-04 14:37:08 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"c. leeds" <  2008-04-05 00:43:05 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-04-05 13:43:07 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Norman M. Schwartz&  2008-04-05 17:42:09 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-04-05 20:46:19 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-05 17:43:17 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-04-05 20:46:42 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
guido.neitzer@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-06 01:12:09 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-29 15:08:19 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-03-29 16:03:29 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-30 21:44:58 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
<normanstrong@[EMAIL P  2008-03-30 21:43:31 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-03-31 00:40:36 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-31 22:36:00 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Peter Elem <pelem@[EMA  2008-05-09 00:06:48 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-05-10 04:48:52 
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"msexcel2003.com&quo  2008-05-11 02:29:47 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-05-11 15:04:49 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-05-11 19:17:46 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
bob <nabob33@[EMAIL PR  2008-03-29 16:02:54 

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