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Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?

by "Serge Auckland" <serge.auckland@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jan 3, 2008 at 11:38 PM

"c. leeds" <cleeds@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:flh8ee02src@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Steven Sullivan wrote:
>
>> In fact I rarely audition gear;... any such auditions are prone to 
>> sighted bias effect.
>
> It's a pity to forsake listening entirely simply because a dubious
result 
> is possible.
>
>> I put as much or more effort into speaker placement and room treatment.

>> It stands to both reason and practice that choice of loudspeaker, and 
>> attention to room conditions, makes *BY FAR* the most difference in
sound 
>> quality. It really is just that simple, once you jettison all the 
>> nonsense promulgated by audiophile culture.
>
> You don't cite an example, so I don't know what "nonsense" you're
talking 
> about. It's certainly nonsensical to buy audio equipment without 
> listening. But, some people buy a new car without driving it first,
others 
> buy clothes without trying them on. There's simply no accounting for 
> preference, which is all that you are stating.

Why is it nonsensical to audio equipment without listening first? There's 
only a point in listening to electromechanical transducers that "can"
sound 
different, and then, in the case of loudspeakers, only in one's own 
listening room. Electronics of modern competent design do not sound 
different so why listen?

Regarding clothes, do you try on underwear, ****rts, knitwear before
buying? 
Suits need to be fitted to the person so should either be made to measure 
and fitted, or if bought ready-made then at least tried, and other items 
like overcoats may need to be tried for comfort, but there's no analogy
that 
I can see between audio equipment and clothes. Cars, like outer garments, 
will need checking for comfort and fit, i.e. do the seats adjust 
comfortably, is the visibility suitable etc, so a test-drive is
appropriate, 
but again, what is the analogy between cars and audio equipment? A better 
analogy perhaps is wine, as the suitability of wine is entirely
subjective. 
One might buy a bottle without tasting, but would you buy a crate? 
However, 
the analogy with wine only applies to those components, like loudspeakers,

that *do* have a subjective component to their suitability, it fails in
the 
case of electronics that, excluding a few outre components like SET 
amplifiers, don't have a subjective component to their suitablity.

S.

-- 
http://audiopages.googlepages.com
 




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Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Steve <goldstarsteve@[  2007-12-24 10:32:44 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2007-12-25 16:39:58 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-26 10:57:17 
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bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2007-12-25 10:44:45 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2007-12-26 16:47:46 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-26 10:58:26 
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Greg Wormald <greg.wor  2007-12-25 10:47:44 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2007-12-26 16:42:03 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-26 11:00:08 
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"Arny Krueger"   2007-12-26 17:07:49 
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"jeffc" <jef  2007-12-28 16:45:57 
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Andrew Barss <barss@[E  2007-12-29 16:39:03 
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"ScottW" <Sc  2007-12-29 16:47:23 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-30 16:57:50 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2007-12-31 17:19:12 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-01 16:30:56 
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"Serge Auckland"  2008-01-01 17:34:54 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-02 05:10:52 
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"c. leeds" <  2008-01-02 23:58:06 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-03 00:44:58 
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"c. leeds" <  2008-01-03 23:39:41 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-04 03:18:59 
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"c. leeds" <  2008-01-05 16:05:02 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-03 00:47:10 
audio culture nonsense?
"c. leeds" <  2008-01-03 23:40:47 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-04 03:17:01 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-04 03:20:48 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"c. leeds" <  2008-01-05 16:02:35 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-05 18:50:42 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"c. leeds" <  2008-01-06 18:21:27 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-08 01:15:56 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-06 16:06:31 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-07 23:58:24 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-08 03:03:24 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-09 00:06:33 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-10 01:05:12 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-10 23:50:18 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-09 00:22:20 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-10 01:06:22 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
twinmountain@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-01-05 18:49:24 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-06 16:05:50 
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"Harry Lavo" &l  2008-01-06 18:22:25 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-07 23:46:59 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-08 01:12:57 
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"Serge Auckland"  2008-01-09 00:05:15 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-10 01:07:58 
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"Serge Auckland"  2008-01-11 00:13:02 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-11 23:41:29 
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"Serge Auckland"  2008-01-12 20:27:06 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-13 15:51:01 
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"Serge Auckland"  2008-01-14 04:38:20 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Alan Hoyle <alanh@[EMA  2008-01-11 00:14:07 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-09 00:09:59 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-09 00:21:43 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-08 01:05:18 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Harry Lavo" &l  2008-01-09 00:03:53 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-09 03:25:01 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-10 01:32:14 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-10 23:53:10 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-06 16:07:01 
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"Harry Lavo" &l  2008-01-03 23:27:11 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-04 03:14:01 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-04 23:43:34 
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"c. leeds" <  2008-01-05 16:07:25 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-07 23:49:03 
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"Serge Auckland"  2008-01-03 23:38:31 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-04 03:15:46 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-04 03:21:42 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-04 23:38:14 
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"Serge Auckland"  2008-01-04 23:48:44 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-05 03:36:44 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-05 15:40:44 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-06 16:08:19 
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"Serge Auckland"  2008-01-05 15:59:16 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-08 01:06:32 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-03 23:44:26 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-04 23:30:46 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-07 23:50:24 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-08 01:15:13 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-09 00:13:23 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-10 01:17:59 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-09 00:20:46 
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"c. leeds" <  2008-01-05 16:08:27 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-03 00:01:30 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-03 00:00:32 
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jwvm <jwvm@[EMAIL PROT  2007-12-25 10:48:47 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-26 11:01:20 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2007-12-25 10:49:56 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2007-12-26 16:49:33 
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"jeffc" <jef  2007-12-28 16:47:31 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2007-12-29 16:43:11 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-03 23:48:20 
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jwvm <jwvm@[EMAIL PROT  2007-12-27 16:34:49 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-29 16:36:59 
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dpierce.cartchunk.org@[EM  2007-12-27 16:45:41 
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"jeffc" <jef  2007-12-28 16:46:47 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-29 16:36:24 
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bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2007-12-31 17:08:54 
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Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2007-12-27 16:47:04 
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codifus <codifus@[EMAI  2007-12-27 16:47:53 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-29 16:25:40 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2007-12-30 16:52:02 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-31 17:22:07 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2007-12-31 19:04:35 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-03 23:50:20 
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Signal <signal@[EMAIL   2007-12-28 16:38:54 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-03 23:49:15 
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"jeffc" <jef  2007-12-28 16:45:18 
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dpierce.cartchunk.org@[EM  2007-12-28 16:59:42 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-30 16:55:28 
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Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2007-12-29 16:39:32 
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Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2007-12-29 16:40:05 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-03 23:46:15 
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willbill <trek@[EMAIL   2007-12-29 16:40:53 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-30 16:59:23 
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willbill <trek@[EMAIL   2008-01-01 16:18:45 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-01 20:23:32 
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willbill <trek@[EMAIL   2008-01-02 05:02:31 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-02 23:49:22 
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willbill <trek@[EMAIL   2008-01-04 23:49:31 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-08 01:07:36 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-08 03:02:51 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-09 00:14:01 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-10 01:04:07 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-11 00:02:17 
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dpierce.cartchunk.org@[EM  2007-12-30 16:53:03 
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Steve <goldstarsteve@[  2007-12-30 17:05:54 
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"jeffc" <jef  2007-12-31 17:15:42 
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dpierce.cartchunk.org@[EM  2007-12-31 17:14:01 
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dpierce.cartchunk.org@[EM  2007-12-31 17:23:17 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-01 16:07:32 
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"Tynan Agvišr"   2007-12-31 17:25:26 
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Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2008-01-02 23:48:28 
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Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2008-01-05 03:39:17 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-05 15:55:43 
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Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2008-01-06 18:22:58 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-07 23:53:21 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-09 00:14:51 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-10 01:13:54 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-10 01:29:51 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-08 01:07:04 
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Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2008-01-07 23:47:43 
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"RobertLang" &l  2008-01-15 23:49:30 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-16 03:18:27 
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"Jim L'Hommedieu&quo  2008-03-27 22:49:14 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-03-28 20:36:08 
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"Norman M. Schwartz&  2008-03-29 02:17:33 
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Robert Peirce <bob@[EM  2008-03-29 15:08:47 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-03-29 16:02:23 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-30 21:45:22 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-03-29 15:08:34 
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"c. leeds" <  2008-03-30 21:44:21 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-03-31 00:39:27 
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"c. leeds" <  2008-04-02 22:34:53 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-04-02 23:22:36 
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"c. leeds" <  2008-04-03 22:08:55 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-04-04 01:44:58 
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"Norman M. Schwartz&  2008-04-05 00:45:26 
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"Dave" <dspe  2008-04-24 01:30:08 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-04-24 23:04:13 
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"c. leeds" <  2008-05-04 14:37:08 
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"c. leeds" <  2008-04-05 00:43:05 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-04-05 13:43:07 
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"Norman M. Schwartz&  2008-04-05 17:42:09 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-04-05 20:46:19 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-05 17:43:17 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-04-05 20:46:42 
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guido.neitzer@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-06 01:12:09 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-29 15:08:19 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-03-29 16:03:29 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-30 21:44:58 
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<normanstrong@[EMAIL P  2008-03-30 21:43:31 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-03-31 00:40:36 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-31 22:36:00 
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Peter Elem <pelem@[EMA  2008-05-09 00:06:48 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-05-10 04:48:52 
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"msexcel2003.com&quo  2008-05-11 02:29:47 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-05-11 15:04:49 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-05-11 19:17:46 
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bob <nabob33@[EMAIL PR  2008-03-29 16:02:54 

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