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Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?

by "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jan 3, 2008 at 12:01 AM

"Sonnova" <sonnova@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> And since even if everything we hear could be preceisly
> quantified and weighted according to the requirements of
> human perception, that still doesn't mean that the
> ordinary audiophile would have access to the equipment
> with which to make those measurements for himself.

There's nom chance that the "average audiophile" would have the knowlege
or 
motivation to make any reasonable set of audio measurements, or be able to

interpret them properly. After all, the various high end ragazines and web

sites have been making s****t of audio measurements for more than 30 years.

Their motivation for attacking audio measurements is very clear - they
have 
created a new economy for audio evaluations where reviewers can simply
claim 
as the whole truth, whatever flies into their heads for whatever reason.

If a reviewer bases his claims on some measurement or other reliable 
repeatable procedure, then interested parties could try to duplicate their

claimed results.  By avoiding making claims that are justified by anything

but unsup****ted opinons, the reviewer can not be held accountable.

> We have two instruments we can use when choosing audio
> equipment and we carry them with us everywhere we go. Use
> 'em!

The fallacy here is the idea that any audiophile's unassisted ear is
always 
a realiable tool for discerning the performance of all kinds of audio 
products.
 




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Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Steve <goldstarsteve@[  2007-12-24 10:32:44 
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Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2007-12-25 16:39:58 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-26 10:57:17 
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bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2007-12-25 10:44:45 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2007-12-26 16:47:46 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-26 10:58:26 
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Greg Wormald <greg.wor  2007-12-25 10:47:44 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2007-12-26 16:42:03 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-26 11:00:08 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Arny Krueger"   2007-12-26 17:07:49 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"jeffc" <jef  2007-12-28 16:45:57 
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Andrew Barss <barss@[E  2007-12-29 16:39:03 
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"ScottW" <Sc  2007-12-29 16:47:23 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-30 16:57:50 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2007-12-31 17:19:12 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-01 16:30:56 
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"Serge Auckland"  2008-01-01 17:34:54 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-02 05:10:52 
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"c. leeds" <  2008-01-02 23:58:06 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-03 00:44:58 
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"c. leeds" <  2008-01-03 23:39:41 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-04 03:18:59 
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"c. leeds" <  2008-01-05 16:05:02 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-03 00:47:10 
audio culture nonsense?
"c. leeds" <  2008-01-03 23:40:47 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-04 03:17:01 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-04 03:20:48 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"c. leeds" <  2008-01-05 16:02:35 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-05 18:50:42 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"c. leeds" <  2008-01-06 18:21:27 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-08 01:15:56 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-06 16:06:31 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-07 23:58:24 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-08 03:03:24 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-09 00:06:33 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-10 01:05:12 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-10 23:50:18 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-09 00:22:20 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-10 01:06:22 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
twinmountain@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-01-05 18:49:24 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-06 16:05:50 
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"Harry Lavo" &l  2008-01-06 18:22:25 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-07 23:46:59 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-08 01:12:57 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Serge Auckland"  2008-01-09 00:05:15 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-10 01:07:58 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Serge Auckland"  2008-01-11 00:13:02 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-11 23:41:29 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Serge Auckland"  2008-01-12 20:27:06 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-13 15:51:01 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Serge Auckland"  2008-01-14 04:38:20 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Alan Hoyle <alanh@[EMA  2008-01-11 00:14:07 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-09 00:09:59 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-09 00:21:43 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-08 01:05:18 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Harry Lavo" &l  2008-01-09 00:03:53 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-09 03:25:01 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-10 01:32:14 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-10 23:53:10 
Re: audio culture nonsense?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-06 16:07:01 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Harry Lavo" &l  2008-01-03 23:27:11 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-04 03:14:01 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-04 23:43:34 
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"c. leeds" <  2008-01-05 16:07:25 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-07 23:49:03 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Serge Auckland"  2008-01-03 23:38:31 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-04 03:15:46 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-04 03:21:42 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-04 23:38:14 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Serge Auckland"  2008-01-04 23:48:44 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-05 03:36:44 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-05 15:40:44 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-06 16:08:19 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Serge Auckland"  2008-01-05 15:59:16 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-08 01:06:32 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-03 23:44:26 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-04 23:30:46 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-07 23:50:24 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-08 01:15:13 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-09 00:13:23 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-10 01:17:59 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-09 00:20:46 
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"c. leeds" <  2008-01-05 16:08:27 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-03 00:01:30 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-03 00:00:32 
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jwvm <jwvm@[EMAIL PROT  2007-12-25 10:48:47 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-26 11:01:20 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2007-12-25 10:49:56 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2007-12-26 16:49:33 
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"jeffc" <jef  2007-12-28 16:47:31 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2007-12-29 16:43:11 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-03 23:48:20 
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jwvm <jwvm@[EMAIL PROT  2007-12-27 16:34:49 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-29 16:36:59 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
dpierce.cartchunk.org@[EM  2007-12-27 16:45:41 
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"jeffc" <jef  2007-12-28 16:46:47 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-29 16:36:24 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
bear <bearlabs@[EMAIL   2007-12-31 17:08:54 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2007-12-27 16:47:04 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
codifus <codifus@[EMAI  2007-12-27 16:47:53 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-29 16:25:40 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2007-12-30 16:52:02 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-31 17:22:07 
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Steven Sullivan <ssull  2007-12-31 19:04:35 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-03 23:50:20 
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Signal <signal@[EMAIL   2007-12-28 16:38:54 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-03 23:49:15 
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"jeffc" <jef  2007-12-28 16:45:18 
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dpierce.cartchunk.org@[EM  2007-12-28 16:59:42 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-30 16:55:28 
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Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2007-12-29 16:39:32 
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Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2007-12-29 16:40:05 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-03 23:46:15 
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willbill <trek@[EMAIL   2007-12-29 16:40:53 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-30 16:59:23 
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willbill <trek@[EMAIL   2008-01-01 16:18:45 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-01 20:23:32 
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willbill <trek@[EMAIL   2008-01-02 05:02:31 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-02 23:49:22 
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willbill <trek@[EMAIL   2008-01-04 23:49:31 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-08 01:07:36 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-08 03:02:51 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-09 00:14:01 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-10 01:04:07 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-11 00:02:17 
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dpierce.cartchunk.org@[EM  2007-12-30 16:53:03 
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Steve <goldstarsteve@[  2007-12-30 17:05:54 
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"jeffc" <jef  2007-12-31 17:15:42 
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dpierce.cartchunk.org@[EM  2007-12-31 17:14:01 
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dpierce.cartchunk.org@[EM  2007-12-31 17:23:17 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-01 16:07:32 
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"Tynan Agvišr"   2007-12-31 17:25:26 
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Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2008-01-02 23:48:28 
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Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2008-01-05 03:39:17 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-05 15:55:43 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2008-01-06 18:22:58 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-07 23:53:21 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Steven Sullivan <ssull  2008-01-09 00:14:51 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-01-10 01:13:54 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-10 01:29:51 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-08 01:07:04 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2008-01-07 23:47:43 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"RobertLang" &l  2008-01-15 23:49:30 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-01-16 03:18:27 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Jim L'Hommedieu&quo  2008-03-27 22:49:14 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-03-28 20:36:08 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Norman M. Schwartz&  2008-03-29 02:17:33 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Robert Peirce <bob@[EM  2008-03-29 15:08:47 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-03-29 16:02:23 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-30 21:45:22 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-03-29 15:08:34 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"c. leeds" <  2008-03-30 21:44:21 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-03-31 00:39:27 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"c. leeds" <  2008-04-02 22:34:53 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-04-02 23:22:36 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"c. leeds" <  2008-04-03 22:08:55 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-04-04 01:44:58 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Norman M. Schwartz&  2008-04-05 00:45:26 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Dave" <dspe  2008-04-24 01:30:08 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-04-24 23:04:13 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"c. leeds" <  2008-05-04 14:37:08 
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"c. leeds" <  2008-04-05 00:43:05 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-04-05 13:43:07 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Norman M. Schwartz&  2008-04-05 17:42:09 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-04-05 20:46:19 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-05 17:43:17 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-04-05 20:46:42 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
guido.neitzer@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-06 01:12:09 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-29 15:08:19 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-03-29 16:03:29 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-30 21:44:58 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
<normanstrong@[EMAIL P  2008-03-30 21:43:31 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-03-31 00:40:36 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-03-31 22:36:00 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Peter Elem <pelem@[EMA  2008-05-09 00:06:48 
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Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-05-10 04:48:52 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
"msexcel2003.com&quo  2008-05-11 02:29:47 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-05-11 15:04:49 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2008-05-11 19:17:46 
Re: Do all amplifiers sound the same?
bob <nabob33@[EMAIL PR  2008-03-29 16:02:54 

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