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Re: odd !

by "Joe L" <I'm@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 23, 2008 at 07:40 PM

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> George's Pro Sound Company wrote:
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>> and I can tune instrument strings to within 1000th of a cent
>
> And you accuse ARNY of posting nonsense ????
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>
> Graham
>

Um Graham, as a player, I should be able to comment that they *do* tune
some 
instruments by ear. Like in the olden days. Ever heard a piano tuned 
perfectly to a stobe tuner?   It sounds like a banjo, lol.

But seriously, other than maybe the reference note A-440, George's
comments 
aren't out of line. If an experienced player can't tune without a tuner, 
THAT would be the the guy with the bad ears and the exception, not the
other 
way around.  Sure there are lots of lazy examples and boozy/drugged out 
players that have poor tuning, but learning to hear the 'out of tune
beats' 
of two unison notes and tuning to eliminate them is just basic musician 
skills. You'd have to be deaf to miss it.

The reason for electronic tuners is for of course the convenience( silent 
operation, reference note), and the inconsistencies that the equal
tempered 
tuning method and design many of the instruments themselves have built in.
A 
perfectly in tune guitar is just a close standard.  Because of equal 
temperment tuning the tuner keeps all string at about the same 'slightly 
off',  I'm not saying you can't really tune by ear, but an experienced 
player has to make compensation for equal temperment, and the setup of the

actual inst as well.

But the point I guess is that the strobe tuner is quick and easy, just
like 
the PFL metering. Takes the guess work out of a boring adjustment, and
makes 
it quick as well.

Now unless George is talking about NO reference note, that would imply 
Perfect Pitch, and yes that is possible.  Even non-perfect pitch players
can 
usually string up a gtr to amazingly close to standard pitch, but not
within 
1000cent. That would be a stretch.

JL
 




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bjthedj@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-22 23:33:53 
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"Sean Conolly"   2008-04-23 01:17:42 
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"George's Pro Sound   2008-04-23 08:03:49 
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"liquidator" &l  2008-04-23 08:48:44 
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"Phildo" <Ph  2008-04-23 15:39:56 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-23 16:20:43 
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"liquidator" &l  2008-04-23 12:01:49 
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"John O" <jo  2008-04-23 16:06:09 
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"liquidator" &l  2008-04-23 16:58:04 
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"liquidator" &l  2008-04-23 17:21:39 
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"John O" <jo  2008-04-24 08:47:15 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-24 20:28:52 
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"John O" <jo  2008-04-24 16:19:45 
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0junk4me@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-04-25 15:09:04 
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"Joe L" <I'm  2008-04-25 00:50:42 
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"liquidator" &l  2008-04-24 21:25:58 
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"Joe L" <I'm  2008-04-26 08:41:37 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-26 14:49:07 
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"Ron(UK)" <r  2008-04-27 19:32:02 
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"liquidator" &l  2008-04-26 10:41:23 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-26 11:19:47 
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"liquidator" &l  2008-04-24 19:01:24 
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"John O" <jo  2008-04-24 22:52:12 
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"liquidator" &l  2008-04-24 23:37:55 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-25 06:42:52 
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"John O" <jo  2008-04-25 08:22:07 
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"liquidator" &l  2008-04-25 08:52:02 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-25 09:03:59 
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"John O" <jo  2008-04-25 09:52:59 
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"liquidator" &l  2008-04-25 10:47:25 
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"Phildo" <Ph  2008-04-26 09:38:35 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-26 06:56:09 
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"Phildo" <Ph  2008-04-26 13:23:36 
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"liquidator" &l  2008-04-26 10:45:39 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-26 11:23:52 
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"Phildo" <Ph  2008-04-27 12:13:42 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-26 06:53:03 
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"mcsteve" <m  2008-04-23 22:21:31 
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"Phildo" <Ph  2008-04-24 03:47:03 
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"liquidator" &l  2008-04-24 00:11:40 
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"Phildo" <Ph  2008-04-24 19:42:39 
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"John O" <jo  2008-04-24 15:29:33 
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"liquidator" &l  2008-04-24 19:06:06 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-25 06:31:26 
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"George's Pro Sound   2008-04-23 12:43:31 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-23 18:27:42 
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"Joe L" <I'm  2008-04-23 19:40:15 
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"Ron(UK)" <r  2008-04-23 21:05:53 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-23 21:25:15 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-23 21:21:42 
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"John O" <jo  2008-04-23 15:59:56 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-23 21:22:31 
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"John O" <jo  2008-04-24 08:48:25 
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"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-25 06:47:12 
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"Joe L" <I'm  2008-04-23 19:01:06 
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"liquidator" &l  2008-04-23 08:45:55 
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Bmoas <bmoas@[EMAIL PR  2008-04-24 07:17:19 
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"Joe L" <I'm  2008-04-24 20:17:13 
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FatBoySlimFast <steveN  2008-04-24 23:44:27 
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriends  2008-04-25 13:45:14 

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