"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "Joe L" <I'm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "Arny Krueger" >
>>> If you knew anthing about electrical
>>> engineering.....................>
>>
>> Maybe the terminology is different in the US, but here
>> electrical engineer is not the same as an electronics
>> engineer.
>
> Depends what segment of the job market, you are talking.
>
> In vocational training, electrical technicans and electronic technicans
> have different training.
Hmmm, didn't I just say that?
> In academics, an EE program trains people for either kind of profession.
> The university I graduated from and did post-graduate work at didn't
even
> formally distinguish between mechanical engineers, electrical engineers,
> civil engineers or computer engineers. They give you a degree in
> Engineering, and that is that.
>
>> Although I make no claims to be an electronics
>> tech anymore, I did work as one for 4years for a small
>> company called Bell & Howell.
>
> I've flipped back and forth being being a technican and being an
engineer
> for my whole life. Right now I'm functioning more like a technican, but
> there's engineering and management behind everything I do.
I tend to regard my jobs & skills as being creative based, the training is
just what brings me to the table.
That also is reflected in the im****tance one's degrees/academic training
is
afforded when applying for a gig in the audio & musical careers. ie;the
background is only im****tant if one's *got* the creative chops.
>
> I've earned a good living doing one or the other, or being a manager.
>
>> But anyway, even back when I studied, if one wanted to go
>> into audio, they'd not take the electrical engineer pgms,
>> but the electronics one's.
>
> That is very much characteristic of vocational training, as opposed to
> academic training. I've done them both.
Again, not sure what education is like where you are, but here any govt
recognized pgm has a split between theory and hands on Lab work. That's
for
all trades, not just electronics. I can't see teaching a mechanic all
about
balancing a motor, but never actually having them lift the hood. Even
night
courses here have the same requirements.
My point though was that if you're studying power systems as in an
electrical pgm (as opposed to an electronics pgm)
you're not prepping yourself for a career in audio. Sure there's a lot of
overlap, but i wouldn't take my gear to the electrician down the street to
get repaired.
W it is well
> known that an academic degree in engineering needs to be followed up
with
> lots of OJT if the engineer is to be effective.
Yes I've been served in restaurants by people with far more education than
myself, that's not news.
> It's just a nice related
>> skill. But I'd think the electronics pgms to be a lot
>> more related than that of an electrical engineer pgm.
>
> Under all of engineering are the basic laws of physics. My actual
academic
> focus was control system engineering, and we were taught that pretty
much
> the same math underlies all of the technologies, and if you understand
> that, the rest is OJT. In the 40 or so years since that, I've never seen
> an exception.
>
Sure basics are basics, but nice to actually study the circuits that one's
gonna be involved in. That's all I was saying.
But beyond education,
IME, I've also noticed that no matter how hard one tries, there are some
people that just do the left brain/ right brain thing better. What I mean
is that during their formative years when their brain was still
developing,
they did a skill or activity that involved using the creative side or the
brain at the same time as the logical side. Something that required total
interaction. Much like learning to play music, or maybe an intelligent
s****t
or whatever, these individuals learned to access both sides of the brain
TOGETHER, at the same time. And no matter how hard one tries, that seems
to be a very im****tant skill to have developed early on.
Some people display a real lack of that skill (in an occupation that
demands
it) and no amount of degrees in the past is gonna bridge that 'think fast
on the feet' quality, or creative thinking without being bogged down by
all
the theory. They just don't think laterally, and it's either one or the
other. For me, the best sound engineers (and musicians) tend to have the
theory down pat, but operate on a very creative level. You think Jeff Beck
is thinking about the mixolydian scale while soloing, or Daniel Langois is
thinking about proximity effect while mixing? That stuff is waaay back in
the mind, and internalized. Sure they know the theory, but kind of look
at
you sideways, if asked to explain it. To them the creative and theory,
don't
separately exist.
Sorry for rambling (to anyone whos still reading this thread).
JL
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