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Re: Gotchas with four violins?

by Paul Goble <pg@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 10, 2008 at 12:05 PM

Thanks, everyone, for your great insights!

For what it's worth, as an amateur violinist, my favorite mic 
for the string section of an orchestra is an overhead AT 4051a.
Micro lav mics on each instrument are okay (expecially
good for an orchestra of mixed skill levels)...assuming
good >18kHz frequency response, and assuming there's a 
really good set of hands at the mixer.  Instrument mics
make string players nervous, however: "Will somebody trip 
on a cord and damage my instrument?"  Hence the roll of 
gaffer tape in my gig bag.

Ben Crowell <crowell08@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> It may be true that there's a little anharmonicity in the
> very high harmonics, but the strong partials are much more
> harmonic.
Good point. I was thinking of how people judge *pitch* based
as much on the harmonics as on the fundamental[1], 
but I should have been thinking about the arithmetic of 
mixing waves. (Though I'm still fascinated by the possibility
of applying Helmholtz's idea of roughness.)

> Anyway, any such inharmonicity is going to be negligible
> compared to the frequency variations caused by vibrato.
Good point.  With n>=3 instruments, it's difficult to 
distinguish the individual vibratos.  But with n=2, 
both the individual vibratos and their sum are apparent.
More evidence that we're safe with n=(2+2).

> Of course, it's not as though two-instrument unisons never
> occur in quartet music.
Or in "first desk only" sections of orchestral music.
Which leads me to think that even the n=2 "problem" is solvable.
As I dig through my memory a little more carefully, I remember 
hearing competent duets sounding good, and not so good in unison.
Surely it's affected by acoustics (perhaps noticeable in the 
"near-field" sound, not so noticeable with typical room acoustics), 
by playing style (worse with strong, uniform vibratos?), and by 
subjective factors (is it "sparkle" or is it "dissonance"?). 

[1] see http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/~hjarvela/publications/icmc00
_text.pdf

-- 
Paul
 




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Gotchas with four violins?
Paul Goble <pg@[EMAIL   2008-04-09 09:15:52 
Re: Gotchas with four violins?
"michael gaster"  2008-04-09 11:05:59 
Re: Gotchas with four violins?
"michael gaster"  2008-04-09 11:25:46 
Re: Gotchas with four violins?
"Arny Krueger"   2008-04-09 12:46:54 
Re: Gotchas with four violins?
Ben Crowell <crowell08  2008-04-09 15:10:22 
Re: Gotchas with four violins?
Ben Crowell <crowell08  2008-04-09 17:16:53 
Re: Gotchas with four violins?
Paul Goble <pg@[EMAIL   2008-04-10 12:05:32 
Re: Gotchas with four violins?
<tbmoas58@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-04-09 21:31:10 
Re: Gotchas with four violins?
bob urz <sound@[EMAIL   2008-04-09 23:25:28 
Re: Gotchas with four violins?
RDOGuy <rdoguy@[EMAIL   2008-04-11 14:13:28 

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