On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 07:14:25 -0700, SamSez wrote
(in article <Xns99C067DDAB0D2samthemanverizonnet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):
> Julian <JulianPAdamsNo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
> news:t5kbg3le53r7fkcgu2jsighorn7d9pokp5@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 00:25:45 GMT, SamSez <samtheman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well yes, but does this plot not show a 20db boost at the bass end of
>>> the mz-rh1 as well -- as well as showing a noise floor higher than the
>>> worst noise from the h2:
>>>
>>> http://beale.best.vwh.net/measure/audio/MZ-RH1_MIC.htm
>>>
>>> A smoother noise curve certainly, but still louder, yes?
>>
>> The bass boost looks more like 35 dB on some of the H2/H4 graphs you
>> supplied, so no,the bass boost is not even close.
>>
>> As far as showing a noise floor higher or not, it all depends on how
>> much gain the mic preamps are being forced to supply. One needs to
>> know that both graphs show the exact same amplification to make a
>> comparison. Otherwise it's like that guy saying "I can hear the
>> spikes on the H2" ANYBODY can hear the spikes if they are AMPLIFIED
>> enough.
>>
>> If you short the input of a preamp and turn it up or down the noise
>> floor as shown on your graph will of course go up or down, right?
>>
>>> [and sure, we can get into differences in hardware and measurement
>>> techniques, but if we go there, we can blame the spikes on the same
>>> differences...]
>>
>> 20 dB spikes are not subtle. They are present on 3 Samson bench tests
>> that I have seen but not present on any bench tests I have seen or
>> heard of for MD units.
>>
>> Also read how the test were done. The H2 test was done by recording
>> off the mics in a quiet room with the recorder under a pillow. The MD
>> test didn't use a mic at all but rather a 1 kHz test tone fed in from
>> a sound card.
>>
>> Test results are all about comparing results to know standards and
>> reference levels, otherwise the are meaningless. If one graph appears
>> to be 10 dB quieter than another but it is supplying 20 dB less gain,
>> then it is in truth noisier.
>>
>> Julian
>>
>>
>
> You quote the h2 bass boost to an accuracy of 5db, but brush off the
> difference in noise floor based on measurement technique. Nothing like
> having it both ways...
>
> Buy one where you can take it back and compare it yourself. For my use,
> my h2 is as good as my rh1, and with the h2's built-in multi-pattern
> mics, no motor noise, and trivial file handling on any PC, it's the unit
> I pick up first.
>
> On the other hand, if you need to use an external mic, the h2 sucks --
at
> least with the mics I've tried. But that's not what I use it for.
>
How does it work with the output from a good mixer through the line
inputs?
Have you tried that? I'd mostly be using it and a mixer with a Avantone
MC-40 stereo mike
http://tinyurl.com/yu89c5
and a pair of SM-Pro MC-1s.
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