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Re: Japanese Surround

by "Durround" <nothing@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Dec 23, 2007 at 06:17 PM

"Steve Urbach" <dragonsclaw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
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> On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:38:59 -0000, "Durround" <nothing@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Matthew Shepherd" <mgw.shepherd@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>news:8a45b81e-e483-4d64-906e-b9e17c1b9e8d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>A little bit of an odd ball question - I am currently investigating
>>> setting up a home theatre for my small, yet growing collection of
>>> Laserdiscs (yes, I am 10 years too late), but I know very little about
>>> audio, so I was hoping for some help.
>>>
>>> I have settled on using a Yamaha RX-V1 as my receiver, but don't have
>>> a clue what speaker to in with. I will need 6.1 support, and I would
>>> really prefer the speakers to be Japanese. Price is an issue, but I do
>>> want quality, and will be willing to go 2nd hand to make this a
>>> reality. Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thankyou so much!
>>
>>Surround is encoded on the discs.
>>Laserdiscs never came with surround sound encoded.
>>Many early Laserdisks were mono only, the best you may
>>have is a stereo Laserdisc player.
>>
>>You cite that you will need "6.1 support".
>>If you feed the stereo soundtrack of a laserdisc into 6 spearkers
>>it is not surround, it is no longer stereo, all it will be is a
cluttered
>>multi-speaker mono.
>>The "1" in "6.1" is a dedicated subwoofer channel.
>>Laserdiscs are not encoded with such.
>>The best you can do is connect a Sub and two satalites.
>>You "really need the speakers to be Japanese"?
>>Well that means you will miss out on all the budget - but good
>>speakers out of Taiwan or Korea, also ruled out are the quality
>>transducers out of America and Europe.
>>The final point, with the vast cataloque of the superior DVD format,
>>why would anyone bother with the obsolete Laserdisc format?
>>
> Why do people have Edison Cylinder machines? 78's? 45's?
>
> They are "THE HISTORY of AUDIO and VIDEO" and are the fuel of
collectors.
> Mono
> Binaural  (used 2 tone arms)
> Stereo
> Quad (SQ, QS, CD-4, Open Reel)
> 78,45,331/3, 16-2/3.
> 8 track
> Beta
> VHS
>
> Most of what you said appears correct except the Mono part??
> True surround (surround channel assignment by design) was not encoded as

> you
> state. Most had Stereo encoding in the days that VHS only gad linear 
> (crappy)
> Mono.
> Matrix Surround is still possible and can have some interesting
artifacts
> (Neil Diamonds, Jazz Singer has a audience to back stage pan, The audio 
> did
> not pan with it, only a level change :/  and the error was not that 
> noticeable
> in a Stereo only playback)
> .
> An additional problem with Lasers that you did NOT mention, is not all 
> disks
> had a DIGITAL soundtrack, those discs require a input mode change
(Digital 
> to
> Analog)  to get any output.
>
> My equipment history
> Pioneer VP1000 top loader (before solid state lasers), Analog only.
> Audio processed by the Matrix setting of a SQ decoder
>
> Upgraded to a Pioneer CLD3030 with digital output (Still in service)
>
> Steve U

Hey Steve, do you really think the OP is going to grasp any of that?
Matrix through a six speaker setup! I'll leave that to you to explain
to OP the cancellation effects, and narrow bandwidth.
Most players did NOT have stereo encoding/decoding, the vast majority
of Philips (And rebadged Nakimichi, Grundig etc) were mono.
And as an example you give Neil Diamonds cheesy late nite cable TV fodder
- The Jazz Singer!!




 7 Posts in Topic:
Japanese Surround
Matthew Shepherd <mgw.  2007-12-23 05:54:35 
Re: Japanese Surround
"Durround" <  2007-12-23 15:38:59 
Re: Japanese Surround
Steve Urbach <dragonsc  2007-12-23 08:29:07 
Re: Japanese Surround
"Durround" <  2007-12-23 18:17:50 
Re: Japanese Surround
Sonnova <sonnova@[EMAI  2007-12-23 12:43:06 
Re: Japanese Surround
Matthew Shepherd <mgw.  2007-12-23 14:29:36 
Re: Japanese Surround
Subzilla <subzilla3@[E  2007-12-26 22:39:18 

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